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The whole discussion reeks of experts who are used to fighting nicotine addiction that now can't let go when that addiction turns into a benign habit. Many peop

by lolc 2y ago

The whole discussion reeks of experts who are used to fighting nicotine addiction that now can't let go when that addiction turns into a benign habit. Many people use nicotine for regulation of emotions and who are these experts to tell them they shouldn't? Not one of those experts expressing concern about nicotine bothered to say what's so bad about it, except the danger of dual use. What needs to be done about the vapes is to ban disposable units. Whether to ban flavours and advertisement for vapes is not very clear-cut to me. Having a debate about those topics is fine. The vaping itself? Let's ban campfires, candles, and incense before we ban vapes.

hirvi74 2y ago
> Let's ban campfires, candles, and incense before we ban vapes. Interesting point. It's wild how vaping is so bad for one's health as if the air quality alerts one may receive in a majority of highly populated cities are safe to ignore. The alternative to not using vaping/nicotine is not immortality either. Not to mention, such experts rarely offer alternative solutions. I am a firm believer in the self-medication theory. Why are such people using nicotine in the first place? A person just doesn't magically get addicted to nicotine after one single puff of a vape. Addiction requires habitual usage to varying degrees, and like one my favorite psych. youtubers once said, "The problem with addictive substances is that they work and they work well -- at least in the beginning. People do not get addicted to substances that do not work." So, I have to agree with you again. Clearly there are/were benefits being provided for these individuals. So, all I am saying is that if we truly want to prevent people from using vapes/nicotine, then we should at least strive towards better attempts at finding ways in which nicotine usage is no longer a preferable option.
- lolc 2y ago
  Right, cities have all the bad stuff and no individual control over it! Regarding benefits: There are indications that people with schizophrenia use nicotine to self-medicate. The health risks of nicotine when inhaled but not smoked are relatively low. So why make them feel bad by calling them addicted to nicotine?

by lolc 2y ago

hirvi74 2y ago

> Let's ban campfires, candles, and incense before we ban vapes. Interesting point. It's wild how vaping is so bad for one's health as if the air quality alerts one may receive in a majority of highly populated cities are safe to ignore. The alternative to not using vaping/nicotine is not immortality either. Not to mention, such experts rarely offer alternative solutions. I am a firm believer in the self-medication theory. Why are such people using nicotine in the first place? A person just doesn't magically get addicted to nicotine after one single puff of a vape. Addiction requires habitual usage to varying degrees, and like one my favorite psych. youtubers once said, "The problem with addictive substances is that they work and they work well -- at least in the beginning. People do not get addicted to substances that do not work." So, I have to agree with you again. Clearly there are/were benefits being provided for these individuals. So, all I am saying is that if we truly want to prevent people from using vapes/nicotine, then we should at least strive towards better attempts at finding ways in which nicotine usage is no longer a preferable option.

lolc 2y ago
Right, cities have all the bad stuff and no individual control over it! Regarding benefits: There are indications that people with schizophrenia use nicotine to self-medicate. The health risks of nicotine when inhaled but not smoked are relatively low. So why make them feel bad by calling them addicted to nicotine?