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>You are parroting Trump's arguments about defence spending as if the US spending is only concerning NATO, the US spend a lot in defence because it's been your

>You are parroting Trump's arguments about defence spending as if the US spending is only concerning NATO, the US spend a lot in defence because it's been your bread and butter to maintain a global reach as a superpower, the moment you lose this you'll see America's influence diminish, if that's what you wish please go ahead and pull out but so far it's been very beneficial to you in the USA to be the de facto global enforcer during Pax Americana. American influence and Pax Americana is on its way out this century one way or another, including the fact it's not even just Trump who is pushing for it. Remember Obama declared America is no longer the world police. Our insane defence budget is a common point of criticism by other countries including so-called "allies", and yet y'all bitch very loudly if we so much as suggest acting on them (eg: leave NATO). Get your act together and at least pretend you want us around, otherwise I repeat my sentiment that I doubt the logic of things like NATO. >Geopolitics are not based on feelings, it's based on advantages and trade-offs, your feelings don't matter for this. America is a democracy, so ultimately our everything is based on the feelings of the people who vote. I for one do not want to see servicemen get stationed at and fight for countries who resent us, end of. Also see inglor_cz's comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40927190 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40927190 >You are also forgetting 4 years of Trump with a possible re-election of this piece of shit, Given the choices presented, I am in fact voting for Trump. Problem? >there are reasons for allies to be resenting America, it's becoming unstable and less trustworthy. Then, once again, stop complaining when or if we act upon your claims because we're tired of the bullshit.

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piva00 2y ago
> Given the choices presented, I am in fact voting for Trump. Problem? I question your judgment but given other comments I read on HN coming from your username it's actually not that surprising you are taking such an immensely stupid decision. Good luck, you are just a sad unloved human being with strongly emotional opinions, nothing really I can discuss with to land on some common ground.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  >I question your judgment but given other comments I read on HN coming from your username it's actually not that surprising you are taking such an immensely stupid decision. Look: I can pick between a senile elder who can't speak straight under pressure, or someone who ostensibly acts for improving the country (MAGA) even though I don't agree with everything about him. The Democrats can pick someone else for their candidate and if he's a good one I might vote for him. Doesn't look like that will be the case though. This is also putting aside the long standing trend of the Left moving further and further left that I, as a center-conservative, am left with choosing the Right all the time every time as the closer of two options. Not entirely my problem the political landscape is this way. >Good luck, you are just a sad unloved human being I doubt you know enough about me to make such a bold statement. >with strongly emotional opinions Yup. I'm a tired, jaded geezer in his mid 30s now with no more damns left to give, I'm about fed up with dealing with the ramblings of both youngster know-nothings and know-it-all pundits/"experts"/intellectuals. Screw all of you, I'll just go and quietly(loudly?) enjoy life while y'all whine yourselves to death for no good reason.
  - piva00 2y ago
    > Look: I can pick between a senile elder who can't speak straight under pressure, or someone who ostensibly acts for improving the country (MAGA) even though I don't agree with everything about him. > The Democrats can pick someone else for their candidate and if he's a good one I might vote for him. Doesn't look like that will be the case though. How is trying to overthrow a democracy an improvement for your country? This alone should have completely barred Trump from public life, if not legally at least morally. Instead we from the outside see people like you, defending and voting for a person who is ostensibly and almost transparently against what are your supposed core values. You had 4 years of clear facts on how Trump does not care a single bit about your country if he is not gaining something out of it. You got 4 years of a botched response to a pandemic, packing your Supreme Court with the likes of Clarence Thomas, openly corrupt people (Jared Kusher) in higher echelons of government. To top it off you are voting for someone who stole secret documents on their way out of the highest position in your government. It's frankly absurd that your judgment is so flawed. Not that Biden is good with his senile mind but at least he is not working against your democracy. On top of that you have access to "Project 2025" clearly on the internet, you can read exactly what's the plan for a next Trump government and you are still siding on that. > This is also putting aside the long standing trend of the Left moving further and further left that I, as a center-conservative, am left with choosing the Right all the time every time as the closer of two options. Not entirely my problem the political landscape is this way. There's no "Left" in the USA, the Democrats are not leftists, they might try to appease more with some social policies but they are very clearly not "Left", if you are a center-conservative but will vote for Trump you are not center anything, you are supporting a brazen antagoniser of democracy, I don't believe that's a centrist position at all, you've been consumed into the Overton window and has a very clear misguided belief. You are falling to magical thinking that Trump will somehow not act worse than on his 1st presidency. > I doubt you know enough about me to make such a bold statement. I took note of a past comment from you this week about love being a mental illness, I didn't have to check your history for that because the sadness of that comment got stuck in my mind. > Yup. I'm a tired, jaded geezer in his mid 30s now with no more damns left to give, I'm about fed up with dealing with the ramblings of both youngster know-nothings and know-it-all pundits/"experts"/intellectuals. Screw all of you, I'll just go and quietly(loudly?) enjoy life while y'all whine yourselves to death for no good reason. Mid-30s is definitely not a "geezer", I'm well into my mid-30s and as jaded as I got by many aspect of life I'm glad to have accumulated enough wisdom to avoid the worst pitfalls of being an petulant cynical man-child, while also knowing that I'm not wise enough in many other aspects, it's probably part of it. Your rejection of experts, or intellectualism is another very sad aspect, someone who was born and grew up in one of the wealthiest countries on Earth didn't seem to have got a good enough education to understand their own limits on knowledge, and be able to defer opinions to those who might have acquired it while having a good enough grasp to apply critical thinking. You are stuck in an infantile black-and-white worldview, and instead of trying to improve you've decided it's better to be tired and reject everything. I understand the pull of ignorance, it does make one happier, it's the lazy way of living. It also makes one stupider. > I'll just go and quietly(loudly?) enjoy life while y'all whine yourselves to death for no good reason. You are part of a society, built upon people who cared about improving it over many generations, if taking part on that is no good reason for you, please just don't vote. It's more odious to me someone choosing to be ignorant after being given all opportunities to not be than someone being ignorant by the lack of them. You are the former case which is absolutely sad.

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piva00 2y ago

> Given the choices presented, I am in fact voting for Trump. Problem? I question your judgment but given other comments I read on HN coming from your username it's actually not that surprising you are taking such an immensely stupid decision. Good luck, you are just a sad unloved human being with strongly emotional opinions, nothing really I can discuss with to land on some common ground.

Dalewyn 2y ago
>I question your judgment but given other comments I read on HN coming from your username it's actually not that surprising you are taking such an immensely stupid decision. Look: I can pick between a senile elder who can't speak straight under pressure, or someone who ostensibly acts for improving the country (MAGA) even though I don't agree with everything about him. The Democrats can pick someone else for their candidate and if he's a good one I might vote for him. Doesn't look like that will be the case though. This is also putting aside the long standing trend of the Left moving further and further left that I, as a center-conservative, am left with choosing the Right all the time every time as the closer of two options. Not entirely my problem the political landscape is this way. >Good luck, you are just a sad unloved human being I doubt you know enough about me to make such a bold statement. >with strongly emotional opinions Yup. I'm a tired, jaded geezer in his mid 30s now with no more damns left to give, I'm about fed up with dealing with the ramblings of both youngster know-nothings and know-it-all pundits/"experts"/intellectuals. Screw all of you, I'll just go and quietly(loudly?) enjoy life while y'all whine yourselves to death for no good reason.
- piva00 2y ago
  > Look: I can pick between a senile elder who can't speak straight under pressure, or someone who ostensibly acts for improving the country (MAGA) even though I don't agree with everything about him. > The Democrats can pick someone else for their candidate and if he's a good one I might vote for him. Doesn't look like that will be the case though. How is trying to overthrow a democracy an improvement for your country? This alone should have completely barred Trump from public life, if not legally at least morally. Instead we from the outside see people like you, defending and voting for a person who is ostensibly and almost transparently against what are your supposed core values. You had 4 years of clear facts on how Trump does not care a single bit about your country if he is not gaining something out of it. You got 4 years of a botched response to a pandemic, packing your Supreme Court with the likes of Clarence Thomas, openly corrupt people (Jared Kusher) in higher echelons of government. To top it off you are voting for someone who stole secret documents on their way out of the highest position in your government. It's frankly absurd that your judgment is so flawed. Not that Biden is good with his senile mind but at least he is not working against your democracy. On top of that you have access to "Project 2025" clearly on the internet, you can read exactly what's the plan for a next Trump government and you are still siding on that. > This is also putting aside the long standing trend of the Left moving further and further left that I, as a center-conservative, am left with choosing the Right all the time every time as the closer of two options. Not entirely my problem the political landscape is this way. There's no "Left" in the USA, the Democrats are not leftists, they might try to appease more with some social policies but they are very clearly not "Left", if you are a center-conservative but will vote for Trump you are not center anything, you are supporting a brazen antagoniser of democracy, I don't believe that's a centrist position at all, you've been consumed into the Overton window and has a very clear misguided belief. You are falling to magical thinking that Trump will somehow not act worse than on his 1st presidency. > I doubt you know enough about me to make such a bold statement. I took note of a past comment from you this week about love being a mental illness, I didn't have to check your history for that because the sadness of that comment got stuck in my mind. > Yup. I'm a tired, jaded geezer in his mid 30s now with no more damns left to give, I'm about fed up with dealing with the ramblings of both youngster know-nothings and know-it-all pundits/"experts"/intellectuals. Screw all of you, I'll just go and quietly(loudly?) enjoy life while y'all whine yourselves to death for no good reason. Mid-30s is definitely not a "geezer", I'm well into my mid-30s and as jaded as I got by many aspect of life I'm glad to have accumulated enough wisdom to avoid the worst pitfalls of being an petulant cynical man-child, while also knowing that I'm not wise enough in many other aspects, it's probably part of it. Your rejection of experts, or intellectualism is another very sad aspect, someone who was born and grew up in one of the wealthiest countries on Earth didn't seem to have got a good enough education to understand their own limits on knowledge, and be able to defer opinions to those who might have acquired it while having a good enough grasp to apply critical thinking. You are stuck in an infantile black-and-white worldview, and instead of trying to improve you've decided it's better to be tired and reject everything. I understand the pull of ignorance, it does make one happier, it's the lazy way of living. It also makes one stupider. > I'll just go and quietly(loudly?) enjoy life while y'all whine yourselves to death for no good reason. You are part of a society, built upon people who cared about improving it over many generations, if taking part on that is no good reason for you, please just don't vote. It's more odious to me someone choosing to be ignorant after being given all opportunities to not be than someone being ignorant by the lack of them. You are the former case which is absolutely sad.