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The headline presents this as a false dichotomy when the answer is "both". For people who were already smoking then vaping is a useful harm reduction tool. For

by entuno 2y ago

The headline presents this as a false dichotomy when the answer is "both". For people who were already smoking then vaping is a useful harm reduction tool. For people who don't smoke (especially children) it's a health concern - albeit a potentially smaller one than smoking one.

plus 2y ago
It's not a false dichotomy, the article is very clearly about whether the harm reduction benefits (which clearly exist) outweigh the public health risks (which also clearly exist). And, of course, there's nuance to that question. It's not like our only options are to keep the status quo or ban vapes entirely. One of the ideas presented in the article is to ban flavored vapes, since that's one of the main points of attraction to non-smokers (especially children), and non-flavored (or tobacco-flavored) vapes will still be viable alternative to smokers.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  Problem with vapes is they are too inexpensive and you don't have to light a new one every now and then so there are people who are vaping almost without pause all day long. I know a smoker who ended up increasing his own addiction because of that and went back to cigarettes, smoking more than he used to.
prmoustache 2y ago
It is also a huge e-waste issue with so many disposable ones. I can't believe they have been allowed in the market for a start. Is that so hard to buy one and refill it?
- throwbadubadu 2y ago
  That this isn't already covered by some general legislation to avoid one way over reasonable reusable stuff is sad. That this is not yet banned or supertaxed by specialized law shows the slowness of our regulatory bodies - as designed and good for the bad stuff. It's a shame, but small tip of the iceberg!
- mbil 2y ago
  > Is that so hard to buy one and refill it? There are a lot of decisions to make when buying a refillable vape. There are various models, they have compatible, disposable pods (the vape juice receptacle) with coils of various ohms resistance, and then juices which are either salt nic or free base with a range of nicotine concentrations. One could go to a vape shop and have the clerk explain all of this, or spend a bit of time researching online. It's not especially hard, but it _is_ harder than just strolling to any corner store or gas station and asking for a disposable vape. The e-waste of disposables is hard to stomach, especially some of the newer disposables that even have LCDs and buttons for playing little games on the vape.

by entuno 2y ago

plus 2y ago

It's not a false dichotomy, the article is very clearly about whether the harm reduction benefits (which clearly exist) outweigh the public health risks (which also clearly exist). And, of course, there's nuance to that question. It's not like our only options are to keep the status quo or ban vapes entirely. One of the ideas presented in the article is to ban flavored vapes, since that's one of the main points of attraction to non-smokers (especially children), and non-flavored (or tobacco-flavored) vapes will still be viable alternative to smokers.

prmoustache 2y ago
Problem with vapes is they are too inexpensive and you don't have to light a new one every now and then so there are people who are vaping almost without pause all day long. I know a smoker who ended up increasing his own addiction because of that and went back to cigarettes, smoking more than he used to.

prmoustache 2y ago

It is also a huge e-waste issue with so many disposable ones. I can't believe they have been allowed in the market for a start. Is that so hard to buy one and refill it?

throwbadubadu 2y ago
That this isn't already covered by some general legislation to avoid one way over reasonable reusable stuff is sad. That this is not yet banned or supertaxed by specialized law shows the slowness of our regulatory bodies - as designed and good for the bad stuff. It's a shame, but small tip of the iceberg!
mbil 2y ago
> Is that so hard to buy one and refill it? There are a lot of decisions to make when buying a refillable vape. There are various models, they have compatible, disposable pods (the vape juice receptacle) with coils of various ohms resistance, and then juices which are either salt nic or free base with a range of nicotine concentrations. One could go to a vape shop and have the clerk explain all of this, or spend a bit of time researching online. It's not especially hard, but it _is_ harder than just strolling to any corner store or gas station and asking for a disposable vape. The e-waste of disposables is hard to stomach, especially some of the newer disposables that even have LCDs and buttons for playing little games on the vape.