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A bank card to pay stuff, witch is a smart card, NFC capable, you can use (as is common in various EU countries) to authenticate yourself on your internet banki

by kkfx 2y ago

A bank card to pay stuff, witch is a smart card, NFC capable, you can use (as is common in various EU countries) to authenticate yourself on your internet banking. Similarly various countries offers eIDs (some I know Estonia, Belgium, Italy, Germany, France) witch are NFC ISO 14443A/B who are used to authenticate the Citizen on various public services. Many universities and some high school as well offer an NFC badge witch is a smart card, and could be used to authenticate institution website and so on. All those examples are already in use since years, but used for limited activities and mostly not advertised. It's just a matter of spread them. In Italy for instance since some years national eID card (CIE) is used to access fiscal services to send for instance you filled tax forms, to pay some tax and so on, while national health service card is used to buy tobacco from every automatic vending machines since much more (to prove you are >18 years old), France start since last year the same with France Connect+ witch as Italy, German etc is the pan European eIDAS system to offer digital docs and services to all. All countries have invented absurd systems to AVOID using eIDAS with smart cards in most cases, while we all have them. Only to push the "app" cloud+mobile model.

Hamuko 2y ago
My Visa card definitely doesn't work for any online bank authentication in Finland. It's strictly for payments. For authentication, it's user ID + PIN with a paper two-factor, or user ID + phone authenticator. Some banks also have physical two-factor hardware.
- kkfx 2y ago
  Well, in Germany, Nederland, Belgium Visa, Mastercard works so, I imaging is just a matter of choice from the bank side. In Italy RSA token (small key chain with an LCD display) was fairly common as another option and some banks have solved the PSD/DSP2 article five with a captcha post-OTP for transactions (i.e. Unicredit), few have chosen more complex OTP with a cam to read a Qr but they are simply too expensive to became spread. In France curiously most banks still do not use a second factor allowing login with just ridiculous "random sorted" virtual keyboards to makes keylogging not work. I guess the world is vary, but I'm also sure enough that Finland have some eIDAS eID document witch can be used like bank cards.

by kkfx 2y ago

Hamuko 2y ago

My Visa card definitely doesn't work for any online bank authentication in Finland. It's strictly for payments. For authentication, it's user ID + PIN with a paper two-factor, or user ID + phone authenticator. Some banks also have physical two-factor hardware.

kkfx 2y ago
Well, in Germany, Nederland, Belgium Visa, Mastercard works so, I imaging is just a matter of choice from the bank side. In Italy RSA token (small key chain with an LCD display) was fairly common as another option and some banks have solved the PSD/DSP2 article five with a captcha post-OTP for transactions (i.e. Unicredit), few have chosen more complex OTP with a cam to read a Qr but they are simply too expensive to became spread. In France curiously most banks still do not use a second factor allowing login with just ridiculous "random sorted" virtual keyboards to makes keylogging not work. I guess the world is vary, but I'm also sure enough that Finland have some eIDAS eID document witch can be used like bank cards.