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related: "China building two-thirds of world’s wind and solar projects" > Country on track reach 1,200GW of installed wind and solar capacity by end of 2024 –

related: "China building two-thirds of world’s wind and solar projects" > Country on track reach 1,200GW of installed wind and solar capacity by end of 2024 – six years ahead of Beijing’s target https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/11/china-building-twice-as-much-wind-and-solar-power-as-rest-of-world-report https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/11/china-... Final paragraph: > China’s renewable energy pipeline is two times larger than the rest of the world,” Li said. “But the question we should increasingly ask ourselves is, how come the rest of the world is so slow?”

KptMarchewa 2y ago
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- itishappy 2y ago
  To be mildly belligerent, wouldn't you mean Chinese efforts? In terns of actual change, I'd argue China is outpacing the west right now. They produce more renewable energy as a percentage of their energy economy than the US, they produce about 3x more in aggregate, and they're building capacity faster than the rest of the world combined. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_renewable_electricity_production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_renewable...
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    How are these numbers verified, I personally hope it's all true,,,but...
  - KptMarchewa 2y ago
    I don't see how that's tangentially connected to what I've written. Again, if China wants the renewable energy to succeed, they could ask their russian allies to stop sabotaging the efforts in the west.
    - itishappy 2y ago
      That's because what you've written isn't connected to the thread. Holding a country accountable for the actions and policies of a different country is a perverse metric. Does the US not care about nuclear because our German allies regulate against it? If China wants renewable energy to succeed they should produce more renewable energy. That's what they're doing.
      - KptMarchewa 2y ago
        >Does the US not care about nuclear because our German allies regulate against it? Obviously, they should push the Germans to abandon their anti-science stance.
        itishappy 2y ago
        Of course. Is the US to blame if Germans don't?
safety1st 2y ago
That quote from Li is a bit of a nothing burger. Over half of Chinese energy production is still coal, the US and EU have got it down to around 15%. It's great that there is a huge volume of clean energy deployments going on in China now but they are unquestionably the laggards and their energy production is still very dirty overall.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  China deployed more solar last year than the US has in its entire history. The US and the EU are still phasing out fossil generation slower than they could, they choose to be laggards. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39142199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39142199
  - arkh 2y ago
    France at the time of posting: https://www.rte-france.com/en/eco2mix/power-generation-energy-source https://www.rte-france.com/en/eco2mix/power-generation-energ... Nuclear 65%, Solar 18%, Hydro 13%, Wind 2%, Bioenergies 1%, Gas 1%, Oil 0%, Coal 0%. Exporting 13% of production. I think we're good.
    - cjrp 2y ago
      Now do Germany
      - toomuchtodo 2y ago
        "Germany reports ‘record’ generation of renewable power in first half of 2024" "At 140 terawatt hours, more renewable electricity was generated in Germany in the first half of 2024 than ever before, accounting for 65% of net public electricity generation. Generation from fossil fuels continues to decline as do the electricity prices on the exchange." [1] [2] If you want to complain about anyone, complain about Poland [3], who needs ~40GW-60GW of solar and wind to offset the ~10GW of coal they're constantly running (assuming worst case capacity factor for those clean energy sources mentioned). They are the dirtiest grid in Europe as it currently stands. (Spain's last coal fired generator As Pontes closes in August, and the UK's Ratcliffe-on-Soar closes in September; both have received their last shipments of coal and are operating off of local reserves to burn through them until closure; France is closing its last two coal generators by end of year [6]; France generates so much clean energy, their grid is having a hard time finding places for it to go [7], and there is an understanding they need more capacity to move power eastward towards Germany) [1] https://optics.org/news/15/7/15 https://optics.org/news/15/7/15 ("Germany reports ‘record’ generation of renewable power in first half of 2024") [2] https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE?wind=false&solar=false https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE?wind=false&solar=fal... ("ElectricityMaps: DE German Zone") [3] https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/PL?wind=false&solar=false https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/PL?wind=false&solar=fal... ("ElectricityMaps: PL Poland Zone") [4] https://www.sustainabilityenvironment.com/2023/08/29/coal-fired-power-plant-in-as-pontes-spain-towards-total-phase-out-5-years-in-advance/ https://www.sustainabilityenvironment.com/2023/08/29/coal-fi... ("Coal-fired power plant in As Pontes, Spain towards total phase-out 5 years in advance") [5] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/21/end-times-for-the-uks-final-coal-fired-power-station https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/21/end-times-f... ("Powering down: end times for the UK’s final coal-fired station") [6] https://www.euractiv.com/section/coal/news/france-extends-life-of-last-coal-fired-plants-to-avoid-winter-shortfalls/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/coal/news/france-extends-li... ("France will allow the functioning of its remaining coal-fired power stations until the end of 2024 to get through the winter safely, according to a decree recently penned by Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne and Energy Transition Minister Agnès Pannier-Runacher.") [7] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40681466 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40681466 ("French Power Slumps as Surging Renewables Push Out Atomic Plants")

KptMarchewa 2y ago

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itishappy 2y ago
To be mildly belligerent, wouldn't you mean Chinese efforts? In terns of actual change, I'd argue China is outpacing the west right now. They produce more renewable energy as a percentage of their energy economy than the US, they produce about 3x more in aggregate, and they're building capacity faster than the rest of the world combined. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_renewable_electricity_production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_renewable...
- bamboozled 2y ago
  How are these numbers verified, I personally hope it's all true,,,but...
- KptMarchewa 2y ago
  I don't see how that's tangentially connected to what I've written. Again, if China wants the renewable energy to succeed, they could ask their russian allies to stop sabotaging the efforts in the west.
  - itishappy 2y ago
    That's because what you've written isn't connected to the thread. Holding a country accountable for the actions and policies of a different country is a perverse metric. Does the US not care about nuclear because our German allies regulate against it? If China wants renewable energy to succeed they should produce more renewable energy. That's what they're doing.
    - KptMarchewa 2y ago
      >Does the US not care about nuclear because our German allies regulate against it? Obviously, they should push the Germans to abandon their anti-science stance.
      - itishappy 2y ago
        Of course. Is the US to blame if Germans don't?

safety1st 2y ago

That quote from Li is a bit of a nothing burger. Over half of Chinese energy production is still coal, the US and EU have got it down to around 15%. It's great that there is a huge volume of clean energy deployments going on in China now but they are unquestionably the laggards and their energy production is still very dirty overall.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
China deployed more solar last year than the US has in its entire history. The US and the EU are still phasing out fossil generation slower than they could, they choose to be laggards. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39142199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39142199
- arkh 2y ago
  France at the time of posting: https://www.rte-france.com/en/eco2mix/power-generation-energy-source https://www.rte-france.com/en/eco2mix/power-generation-energ... Nuclear 65%, Solar 18%, Hydro 13%, Wind 2%, Bioenergies 1%, Gas 1%, Oil 0%, Coal 0%. Exporting 13% of production. I think we're good.
  - cjrp 2y ago
    Now do Germany
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      "Germany reports ‘record’ generation of renewable power in first half of 2024" "At 140 terawatt hours, more renewable electricity was generated in Germany in the first half of 2024 than ever before, accounting for 65% of net public electricity generation. Generation from fossil fuels continues to decline as do the electricity prices on the exchange." [1] [2] If you want to complain about anyone, complain about Poland [3], who needs ~40GW-60GW of solar and wind to offset the ~10GW of coal they're constantly running (assuming worst case capacity factor for those clean energy sources mentioned). They are the dirtiest grid in Europe as it currently stands. (Spain's last coal fired generator As Pontes closes in August, and the UK's Ratcliffe-on-Soar closes in September; both have received their last shipments of coal and are operating off of local reserves to burn through them until closure; France is closing its last two coal generators by end of year [6]; France generates so much clean energy, their grid is having a hard time finding places for it to go [7], and there is an understanding they need more capacity to move power eastward towards Germany) [1] https://optics.org/news/15/7/15 https://optics.org/news/15/7/15 ("Germany reports ‘record’ generation of renewable power in first half of 2024") [2] https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE?wind=false&solar=false https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE?wind=false&solar=fal... ("ElectricityMaps: DE German Zone") [3] https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/PL?wind=false&solar=false https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/PL?wind=false&solar=fal... ("ElectricityMaps: PL Poland Zone") [4] https://www.sustainabilityenvironment.com/2023/08/29/coal-fired-power-plant-in-as-pontes-spain-towards-total-phase-out-5-years-in-advance/ https://www.sustainabilityenvironment.com/2023/08/29/coal-fi... ("Coal-fired power plant in As Pontes, Spain towards total phase-out 5 years in advance") [5] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/21/end-times-for-the-uks-final-coal-fired-power-station https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/21/end-times-f... ("Powering down: end times for the UK’s final coal-fired station") [6] https://www.euractiv.com/section/coal/news/france-extends-life-of-last-coal-fired-plants-to-avoid-winter-shortfalls/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/coal/news/france-extends-li... ("France will allow the functioning of its remaining coal-fired power stations until the end of 2024 to get through the winter safely, according to a decree recently penned by Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne and Energy Transition Minister Agnès Pannier-Runacher.") [7] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40681466 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40681466 ("French Power Slumps as Surging Renewables Push Out Atomic Plants")