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Doesn't this describe the Metropolitan line in London, which is the first one? And that's not how the Parisian RER works - they have very few stops in the city

by sofixa 2y ago

Doesn't this describe the Metropolitan line in London, which is the first one? And that's not how the Parisian RER works - they have very few stops in the city of Paris itself, to prioritise long distance travel and make it faster (somewhat as a reaction to how unsuited the Paris metro, which has a ridiculously dense stop network, is for long distances).

baud147258 2y ago
> the Paris metro, which has a ridiculously dense stop network, is for long distances I think it's interesting how the most recent line (n° 14) has way less stops, instead focusing on covering more distance
- sofixa 2y ago
  Yep, because a big part of the drive for it is to reduce the overcrowding on the lines 1 and A, and thus it needed to be as fast as possible to actually be competitive with them. Funnily this was so successful this led to overcrowding on the 14, hence the extension of the line E to take some of the traffic from the 1, A and 14; and the 14 itself was extended to connect one of the airports and a bunch of suburbs under heavy redevelopment.
- masklinn 2y ago
  Yes line 14 is very much an express link. The original project name was METEOR, which was an acronym for “rapid east/west metro” (METro Est Ouest Rapide) (although it’s more of a south-east to north-west link).
walthamstow 2y ago
The Metropolitan line stock only has a top speed of 100kmh and I would reckon it doesn't even reach that
tialaramex 2y ago
The TFL service, the actual Metropolitan Line, only goes from London to Amersham. It used to go to Aylesbury, which is at least a moderate sized town, but it hasn't since electrification last century. Amersham is a 13th century market town. It's not tiny, but it's certainly not a city. Now, there are mainline services running on the same physical rails which do move passengers between London and other cities, but those don't turn into a stopping underground service, the trains leave those shared rails inside London and run to a terminus station, Marylebone. Marylebone is an Underground station, but only in the same sense as say King's Cross or Waterloo - the Underground is separate though located in the same warren of buildings and tunnels. The Elizabeth Line is closer to the model explained here, running a fast long distance service, a metro service and then back to fast long distance. Reading isn't a city but it's more significant than Amersham and those are core London services not a terminus with the option to change.
- twic 2y ago
  The Elizabeth line doesn't run a particularly fast long-distance service - it stops at all stations [1] between Reading and London. If you wanted to go from Reading to somewhere in central London, it would be faster to take a non-stop express which terminates at the edge of central London and then change onto the Elizabeth line than to take it all the way. The service to Reading is more about providing a local service between Reading and its surrounding small towns. [1] except Iver
- sofixa 2y ago
  > The Elizabeth Line is closer to the model explained here, running a fast long distance service, a metro service and then back to fast long distance It only has 5 stops with generous distance between them in London/Zone 1, which is equivalent to Parisian RERs. Not really what I would call metro service.
- GeoAtreides 2y ago
  Interesting how both sibling comments (by sofixa and twic) complain about opposite things: that Elizabeth is not a metro service (i.e. it's fast) and the other that it's not fast, it stops at all stations (i.e. it's a metro). It's interesting because both are true: outside of central london is a metro service, in central london is a fast service. The parent op explains it pretty well in the last paragraph: > running a fast long distance service, a metro service and then back to fast long distance.
- blibble 2y ago
  the met has express services that skip stations
mhandley 2y ago
London also created Thameslink in the 1980s by linking existing suburban rail north and south of the city. It's not as fancy as the new Elizabeth line, but it did make a big difference to a lot of people commuting to the City of London, saving them the extra time of changing from rail to tube. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thameslink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thameslink

by sofixa 2y ago

baud147258 2y ago

> the Paris metro, which has a ridiculously dense stop network, is for long distances I think it's interesting how the most recent line (n° 14) has way less stops, instead focusing on covering more distance

sofixa 2y ago
Yep, because a big part of the drive for it is to reduce the overcrowding on the lines 1 and A, and thus it needed to be as fast as possible to actually be competitive with them. Funnily this was so successful this led to overcrowding on the 14, hence the extension of the line E to take some of the traffic from the 1, A and 14; and the 14 itself was extended to connect one of the airports and a bunch of suburbs under heavy redevelopment.
masklinn 2y ago
Yes line 14 is very much an express link. The original project name was METEOR, which was an acronym for “rapid east/west metro” (METro Est Ouest Rapide) (although it’s more of a south-east to north-west link).

walthamstow 2y ago

The Metropolitan line stock only has a top speed of 100kmh and I would reckon it doesn't even reach that

tialaramex 2y ago

The TFL service, the actual Metropolitan Line, only goes from London to Amersham. It used to go to Aylesbury, which is at least a moderate sized town, but it hasn't since electrification last century. Amersham is a 13th century market town. It's not tiny, but it's certainly not a city. Now, there are mainline services running on the same physical rails which do move passengers between London and other cities, but those don't turn into a stopping underground service, the trains leave those shared rails inside London and run to a terminus station, Marylebone. Marylebone is an Underground station, but only in the same sense as say King's Cross or Waterloo - the Underground is separate though located in the same warren of buildings and tunnels. The Elizabeth Line is closer to the model explained here, running a fast long distance service, a metro service and then back to fast long distance. Reading isn't a city but it's more significant than Amersham and those are core London services not a terminus with the option to change.

twic 2y ago
The Elizabeth line doesn't run a particularly fast long-distance service - it stops at all stations [1] between Reading and London. If you wanted to go from Reading to somewhere in central London, it would be faster to take a non-stop express which terminates at the edge of central London and then change onto the Elizabeth line than to take it all the way. The service to Reading is more about providing a local service between Reading and its surrounding small towns. [1] except Iver
sofixa 2y ago
> The Elizabeth Line is closer to the model explained here, running a fast long distance service, a metro service and then back to fast long distance It only has 5 stops with generous distance between them in London/Zone 1, which is equivalent to Parisian RERs. Not really what I would call metro service.
GeoAtreides 2y ago
Interesting how both sibling comments (by sofixa and twic) complain about opposite things: that Elizabeth is not a metro service (i.e. it's fast) and the other that it's not fast, it stops at all stations (i.e. it's a metro). It's interesting because both are true: outside of central london is a metro service, in central london is a fast service. The parent op explains it pretty well in the last paragraph: > running a fast long distance service, a metro service and then back to fast long distance.
blibble 2y ago
the met has express services that skip stations

mhandley 2y ago

London also created Thameslink in the 1980s by linking existing suburban rail north and south of the city. It's not as fancy as the new Elizabeth line, but it did make a big difference to a lot of people commuting to the City of London, saving them the extra time of changing from rail to tube. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thameslink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thameslink