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The thing about fly.io / heroku / vercel is you are gaining convenience by giving up control over the underlying infrastructure. When you give up control of th

The thing about fly.io / heroku / vercel is you are gaining convenience by giving up control over the underlying infrastructure. When you give up control of the infrastructure you also give up the ability to decide what's right and wrong. If you want to work with something that allows you retain that control but still have the convenience of a nice deployment workflow check out my profile.

ec109685 2y ago
Unless you build your own data center and run your own fiber, you’re at the mercy of someone else’s policies and could be shutdown at their whim.
- miki123211 2y ago
  Even if you build your own datacenter and your own fiber, other ISPs might still either depeer from you or threaten to do so if you don't boot customer x off your service.
- johnchristopher 2y ago
  Don't forget to bring a diesel generator if you forgot to build your own electric grid.
- qhwudbebd 2y ago
  Whilst this is true in theory, the experience of being a data centre customer, taking transit from one or two providers and peering with a handful of others is very different to being a user of a bulk cloud infrastructure provider. I think the difference is automation, or rather lack of it. You build personal relationships with real people. Senior network engineers at the supplier don't consider it beneath them to ring up similarly competent people at the customer and chat directly. In the past I've hosted kit on a larger scale for my businesses, but it seems you get the same personal experience as a tiny individual customer. Even with just a couple of racks of kit of for hobby projects and friends' stuff, I know the network engineers at the DC and transit providers and can email or call direct to discuss things when I need to. More importantly, if (for example) one of my friends starts gobbling 10Gbps of $$$ transit because of a typo in a script, they ring my mobile to chuckle about it while we fix in realtime, rather than some automated process pulling the plug with the real engineers hiding behind support tickets and first-line support staff that can't string a sentence together.
- zacksiri 2y ago
  I think it's important to realize, each level of abstraction has it's pros and cons. Concluding to have to go all the way down the stack and run your own data center and fiber is extreme. In life it's always going to be a balance of what's feasible that you can do to keep control and giving up control because something is not feasible. In this case obviously the author is having a problem high up the stack. The best solution would be to have more control in order to keep his business going.

ec109685 2y ago

Unless you build your own data center and run your own fiber, you’re at the mercy of someone else’s policies and could be shutdown at their whim.

miki123211 2y ago
Even if you build your own datacenter and your own fiber, other ISPs might still either depeer from you or threaten to do so if you don't boot customer x off your service.
johnchristopher 2y ago
Don't forget to bring a diesel generator if you forgot to build your own electric grid.
qhwudbebd 2y ago
Whilst this is true in theory, the experience of being a data centre customer, taking transit from one or two providers and peering with a handful of others is very different to being a user of a bulk cloud infrastructure provider. I think the difference is automation, or rather lack of it. You build personal relationships with real people. Senior network engineers at the supplier don't consider it beneath them to ring up similarly competent people at the customer and chat directly. In the past I've hosted kit on a larger scale for my businesses, but it seems you get the same personal experience as a tiny individual customer. Even with just a couple of racks of kit of for hobby projects and friends' stuff, I know the network engineers at the DC and transit providers and can email or call direct to discuss things when I need to. More importantly, if (for example) one of my friends starts gobbling 10Gbps of $$$ transit because of a typo in a script, they ring my mobile to chuckle about it while we fix in realtime, rather than some automated process pulling the plug with the real engineers hiding behind support tickets and first-line support staff that can't string a sentence together.
zacksiri 2y ago
I think it's important to realize, each level of abstraction has it's pros and cons. Concluding to have to go all the way down the stack and run your own data center and fiber is extreme. In life it's always going to be a balance of what's feasible that you can do to keep control and giving up control because something is not feasible. In this case obviously the author is having a problem high up the stack. The best solution would be to have more control in order to keep his business going.