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The Future of Trash [pdf] (2023)

35 points by jonbaer 2y ago

GratiaTerra 2y ago
I think AI could help here to sort out and preprocess reusable and compostable material.
Vayu 2y ago
this cost them 4 million.
- snapcaster 2y ago
  Are you saying that's too high? aren't the stakes massive on something like this?
- micromacrofoot 2y ago
  what should it have cost? this is a very complicated problem for densest and most populated city in the US... and it seems like a thorough and thoughtful analysis
  - chid 2y ago
    I agree, practically this would've been much more in terms of combined efforts (to collect, parse, and validate) this analysis. Absolutely bargain if McKinsey was able to create from scratch ;)
- meetingthrower 2y ago
  The DSNY budget is $1.9B. How much should you invest to make the right decision, when you are radically changing the operations of the organization and the daily fabric of city life for millions of people?
Spivak 2y ago
This is great! I wish all decisions were made with this kind of detailed analysis beforehand. It really highlights how crazy Manhattan is.
micromacrofoot 2y ago
Nice to see that they're dedicating some street space to shared containers, something like this would be destined to fail without it
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  They are simply going to have to give up some street parking to waste containers. I don't live there, but it seems a fair trade that a few individuals will have to find another place to park so that everyone on the block can enjoy not having unsightly, smelly piles of trash on the sidewalks, and the reduction in vermin that should come with it. I remember my first visit to NYC and I was shocked that in the premier city of the USA that trash was simply piled on the sidewalks for collection.
  - MisterTea 2y ago
    > but it seems a fair trade that a few individuals will have to find another place to park There likely isn't any room. A friend who moved from CA to Manhattan told me parking was so bad by his east village building that he would ignore alternate side parking and eat the fine. Turns out parking tickets are cheap and infrequent enough that they are an affordable way to park your car long term albeit illegally. Of course the city doesn't mind the revenue so everyone gets what they want. He wound up selling his car not long after. The parking situation is bad all over the city so it is a highly contentious subject.
    - nebula8804 2y ago
      Would a mini car like a Fiat or Mini cooper work better? Or is it just a no go for cars unless you are rich?
      - micromacrofoot 2y ago
        smaller cars are easier to find spots for, but it's just not worth having a car at all in my experience — just forget about parking in winter if it snows
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ChrisArchitect 2y ago
(2023) Alternate link: https://www.nyc.gov/site/dsny/resources/reports/the-future-of-trash.page https://www.nyc.gov/site/dsny/resources/reports/the-future-o... Is this part of the McKinsey work in question after the recent bin unveiling? New York's viral new trash cans unveiled nearly 2 years after a $1.6 million contract with consultancy giant McKinsey https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-hired-mckinsey-to-assess-the-citys-waste-needs-2024-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-hired-mckinsey-to-a...

35 points by jonbaer 2y ago

GratiaTerra 2y ago

I think AI could help here to sort out and preprocess reusable and compostable material.

Vayu 2y ago

this cost them 4 million.

snapcaster 2y ago
Are you saying that's too high? aren't the stakes massive on something like this?
micromacrofoot 2y ago
what should it have cost? this is a very complicated problem for densest and most populated city in the US... and it seems like a thorough and thoughtful analysis
- chid 2y ago
  I agree, practically this would've been much more in terms of combined efforts (to collect, parse, and validate) this analysis. Absolutely bargain if McKinsey was able to create from scratch ;)
meetingthrower 2y ago
The DSNY budget is $1.9B. How much should you invest to make the right decision, when you are radically changing the operations of the organization and the daily fabric of city life for millions of people?

Spivak 2y ago

This is great! I wish all decisions were made with this kind of detailed analysis beforehand. It really highlights how crazy Manhattan is.

micromacrofoot 2y ago

Nice to see that they're dedicating some street space to shared containers, something like this would be destined to fail without it

SoftTalker 2y ago
They are simply going to have to give up some street parking to waste containers. I don't live there, but it seems a fair trade that a few individuals will have to find another place to park so that everyone on the block can enjoy not having unsightly, smelly piles of trash on the sidewalks, and the reduction in vermin that should come with it. I remember my first visit to NYC and I was shocked that in the premier city of the USA that trash was simply piled on the sidewalks for collection.
- MisterTea 2y ago
  > but it seems a fair trade that a few individuals will have to find another place to park There likely isn't any room. A friend who moved from CA to Manhattan told me parking was so bad by his east village building that he would ignore alternate side parking and eat the fine. Turns out parking tickets are cheap and infrequent enough that they are an affordable way to park your car long term albeit illegally. Of course the city doesn't mind the revenue so everyone gets what they want. He wound up selling his car not long after. The parking situation is bad all over the city so it is a highly contentious subject.
  - nebula8804 2y ago
    Would a mini car like a Fiat or Mini cooper work better? Or is it just a no go for cars unless you are rich?
    - micromacrofoot 2y ago
      smaller cars are easier to find spots for, but it's just not worth having a car at all in my experience — just forget about parking in winter if it snows

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ChrisArchitect 2y ago

(2023) Alternate link: https://www.nyc.gov/site/dsny/resources/reports/the-future-of-trash.page https://www.nyc.gov/site/dsny/resources/reports/the-future-o... Is this part of the McKinsey work in question after the recent bin unveiling? New York's viral new trash cans unveiled nearly 2 years after a $1.6 million contract with consultancy giant McKinsey https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-hired-mckinsey-to-assess-the-citys-waste-needs-2024-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-hired-mckinsey-to-a...