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> If you are of a less-marginalised background, keep in mind that you are a guest in our spaces but are nonetheless welcome. Hah, this line used to be even wor

> If you are of a less-marginalised background, keep in mind that you are a guest in our spaces but are nonetheless welcome. Hah, this line used to be even worse. More power to them - it’s clear from the docs that they want to focus a lot on marginalization/the Oppression Olympics. More power to them to do their own thing, hopefully their spaces are whatever they want and they all stay over there.

dullcrisp 2y ago
It’s okay since that statement technically marginalizes anyone it applies to I don’t think it can apply to anyone
- analognoise 2y ago
  It can apply to anyone at any time once they decide for any reason to expel you. The ambiguity is a feature, not a bug. They decide they don’t like your opinion about X? Cool, glad you were always a guest - it’s an arbitrary enforcement lever. Same thing for “safety”. People claimed (in the Nix community) that all kinds of things made them feel “unsafe” - including the opinions of others. I wouldn’t get involved in a community like that and think it serves a useful purpose to point it out, in case someone else would be similarly hesitant to join such a community.
  - i-use-nixos-btw 2y ago
    The nice thing, at least, is that this particular kind of group always lose out in the end. They're divisive by nature and it always eventually turns in on itself. It's a matter of time. Until then, things are not looking great. When one mod deletes threads because they've had a bad day and cant deal with drama, when other mods start teaming up against the only moderate voice for reaching out to ThE EnEmY, when a huge community member get permabanned for merely voicing disagreement with their own temporary ban (which in turn was only because they - wait for it - "encouraged debate"), it is clear that it won't be long before the community turns on them. Its just a shame that the big forks are ones run by like-minded activists.

dullcrisp 2y ago

It’s okay since that statement technically marginalizes anyone it applies to I don’t think it can apply to anyone

analognoise 2y ago
It can apply to anyone at any time once they decide for any reason to expel you. The ambiguity is a feature, not a bug. They decide they don’t like your opinion about X? Cool, glad you were always a guest - it’s an arbitrary enforcement lever. Same thing for “safety”. People claimed (in the Nix community) that all kinds of things made them feel “unsafe” - including the opinions of others. I wouldn’t get involved in a community like that and think it serves a useful purpose to point it out, in case someone else would be similarly hesitant to join such a community.
- i-use-nixos-btw 2y ago
  The nice thing, at least, is that this particular kind of group always lose out in the end. They're divisive by nature and it always eventually turns in on itself. It's a matter of time. Until then, things are not looking great. When one mod deletes threads because they've had a bad day and cant deal with drama, when other mods start teaming up against the only moderate voice for reaching out to ThE EnEmY, when a huge community member get permabanned for merely voicing disagreement with their own temporary ban (which in turn was only because they - wait for it - "encouraged debate"), it is clear that it won't be long before the community turns on them. Its just a shame that the big forks are ones run by like-minded activists.