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For 649 this machine will run circles around anything in the same price bracket.

by whalesalad 2y ago

tomtomistaken 2y ago
.. until running out of RAM.
- whalesalad 2y ago
  You need to start thinking outside the box with ram. These new chips have a unified bus and so swapping to disk is not nearly as costly as it is on normal machines. Yes, it will suffer compared to an M1/2/3 with 16+ GB of ram but again for 649 you will be running circles around a comparative x86 PC even if it has more memory. Asahi Linux is a huge perk, too. Battery life and chassis strength are also things that should not be discounted. This is a chromebook on steroids.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    So the solution to running out of RAM is more wear on the disk? Doesn't this thing have soldered-on storage that you can't replace when you wear it out?
    - whalesalad 2y ago
      649. It’s a wear item. You replace it when it dies.
      - tomtomistaken 2y ago
        Isn’t that’s even worse? It would cost almost 0 to add more RAM and make it a durable machine. What Apple does here is basically the definition of planned obsolescence.
31337Logic 2y ago
I'm sorry, but for $649 it's not "running circles" around this: https://www.amazon.com/GEEKOM-IT12-Mini-i9-12900H-Computers/dp/B0D25J629J/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=18TN7SQ6XHWRE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0lpyyWH1CpWF0aO3mFjWMx2Pf3ry4sgLFmpN_RnMc7d_wkKyFiSaBmO4aOjpobDY_4sgsLz7jI06PR7UIWMv9UTk861rMnwh6emw9kjh_1b_FJ44K-L-2aGx-59e5FYKK2yr1S-xw8DSQ96GbpKqajzY2cL9MYxKBR2eEO2_vRZmPMhUbcAE8jFd5X9Lzf9ix31UErpZGjrjA2VfZ-S6mw.pDOYlBB_eWKvjVhnPWzyy_N5m02zvsUEtcIy5SKDf14&dib_tag=se&keywords=pc&qid=1720653478&sprefix=pc%2Caps%2C105&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/GEEKOM-IT12-Mini-i9-12900H-Computers/... I will admit it's pretty decent for a laptop, though... especially if you like living in the gated Apple ecosystem.
- hypercube33 2y ago
  A little while ago I got a $250 Ryzen 5 laptop with 16GB of ram and a HD display. The keyboard is awful and its not great at gaming but it has a lot for the price.
- cmcaleer 2y ago
  You’re missing the (slightly better than) 2K OLED monitor. Seems like you can get something like that for $200, which will downgrade your hardware significantly. The linked computer probably uses more power than a Macbook for the same task even if the Macbook is running its display. I don’t love Apple’s gated ecosystem (which isn’t as bad on Mac as on iPhones) but this thing is an absolute steal for what it is, especially considering 90% of what people on these days is in a browser or electron app.
- whalesalad 2y ago
  That’s a mini PC. Not even remotely comparable. Why are you even posting this? No display. No battery. It’s a raspberry pi lmao.
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  desktop / mini PC. not really comparable, and comes with Win11, which is a more miserable choice than Win10 or Apple's gated nonsense. you could probably put Debian on it, though. one of the reviews mentions how loud it is, lol.

For 649 this machine will run circles around anything in the same price bracket.

tomtomistaken 2y ago

.. until running out of RAM.

whalesalad 2y ago
You need to start thinking outside the box with ram. These new chips have a unified bus and so swapping to disk is not nearly as costly as it is on normal machines. Yes, it will suffer compared to an M1/2/3 with 16+ GB of ram but again for 649 you will be running circles around a comparative x86 PC even if it has more memory. Asahi Linux is a huge perk, too. Battery life and chassis strength are also things that should not be discounted. This is a chromebook on steroids.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  So the solution to running out of RAM is more wear on the disk? Doesn't this thing have soldered-on storage that you can't replace when you wear it out?
  - whalesalad 2y ago
    649. It’s a wear item. You replace it when it dies.
    - tomtomistaken 2y ago
      Isn’t that’s even worse? It would cost almost 0 to add more RAM and make it a durable machine. What Apple does here is basically the definition of planned obsolescence.

31337Logic 2y ago

I'm sorry, but for $649 it's not "running circles" around this: https://www.amazon.com/GEEKOM-IT12-Mini-i9-12900H-Computers/dp/B0D25J629J/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=18TN7SQ6XHWRE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0lpyyWH1CpWF0aO3mFjWMx2Pf3ry4sgLFmpN_RnMc7d_wkKyFiSaBmO4aOjpobDY_4sgsLz7jI06PR7UIWMv9UTk861rMnwh6emw9kjh_1b_FJ44K-L-2aGx-59e5FYKK2yr1S-xw8DSQ96GbpKqajzY2cL9MYxKBR2eEO2_vRZmPMhUbcAE8jFd5X9Lzf9ix31UErpZGjrjA2VfZ-S6mw.pDOYlBB_eWKvjVhnPWzyy_N5m02zvsUEtcIy5SKDf14&dib_tag=se&keywords=pc&qid=1720653478&sprefix=pc%2Caps%2C105&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/GEEKOM-IT12-Mini-i9-12900H-Computers/... I will admit it's pretty decent for a laptop, though... especially if you like living in the gated Apple ecosystem.

hypercube33 2y ago
A little while ago I got a $250 Ryzen 5 laptop with 16GB of ram and a HD display. The keyboard is awful and its not great at gaming but it has a lot for the price.
cmcaleer 2y ago
You’re missing the (slightly better than) 2K OLED monitor. Seems like you can get something like that for $200, which will downgrade your hardware significantly. The linked computer probably uses more power than a Macbook for the same task even if the Macbook is running its display. I don’t love Apple’s gated ecosystem (which isn’t as bad on Mac as on iPhones) but this thing is an absolute steal for what it is, especially considering 90% of what people on these days is in a browser or electron app.
whalesalad 2y ago
That’s a mini PC. Not even remotely comparable. Why are you even posting this? No display. No battery. It’s a raspberry pi lmao.
red-iron-pine 2y ago
desktop / mini PC. not really comparable, and comes with Win11, which is a more miserable choice than Win10 or Apple's gated nonsense. you could probably put Debian on it, though. one of the reviews mentions how loud it is, lol.