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Hard to disagree, but have you seen abroad? Seems like outside Europe you're at a constant one health crisis away from homelessness. Is that even an exaggeratio

Hard to disagree, but have you seen abroad? Seems like outside Europe you're at a constant one health crisis away from homelessness. Is that even an exaggeration at this point? https://i.redd.it/e2u2h3la7e1b1.jpg https://i.redd.it/e2u2h3la7e1b1.jpg

decafninja 2y ago
Frankly speaking, European healthcare does not seem that attractive to me versus decent to good employer backed American insurance. I’d rather have a (often significantly) bigger US salary. If there is a healthcare system that I’m envious of, it’s those of some East Asian countries. I know of some Asian-Americans in the US that do medical tourism to Asia despite having company insurance. Ends up being not only less expensive, but more importantly - also massively faster and more efficient to get treatment. Heck, I don’t know many, but I know there are Asian-Europeans that make the same trip too.
- cooolbear 2y ago
  Aside from the usury of US healthcare, even with insurance from your employer, dealing with the healthcare in Canada is a dream to the US. You might have to wait to see a doctor (most people probably still have to wait in the US if you're lucky enough to get treatment), but there's essentially no fight with layers and layers of occult insurance for anything you get a referral from a doctor for. No surprise or hidden 'networks' to speak of. I think that people who are fine with US healthcare don't really realize how incredibly inefficient and harmful it is to be so uncertain about whether or not insurance will cover your treatment.
  - floxy 2y ago
    Is there a way to find out which CGRP medications for migraines are covered by which provincial health plans? Seems like a few of them are available if you have private insurance. Or if you could pay the fairly steep costs out of pocket.
    - sudosysgen 2y ago
      Each province maintains a master list of approved medications (and for some conditional approvement requirements), which is freely accessible.
  - nxm 2y ago
    "most people probably still have to wait in the US if you're lucky enough to get treatment" This is really not the case. Over 92% of Americans have health coverage. I can also see practically any specialist next week....
    - cooolbear 2y ago
      > Over 92% of Americans have health coverage. How many choose to use it, though, and specifically, how many are afraid to use it because of cost? I'd count "waiting for an appointment/life to line up to see someone 'in network'" that as "lucky enough to get treatment" > I can also see practically any specialist next week.... It can be similarly the case in Canada if you pay out-of-pocket or with private insurance or travel, and people do the same in the US too.
  - decafninja 2y ago
    Then why are there stories of Canadians crossing the border to seek care in the US? I work with some Canadians in Toronto. They’re always complaining how terribly slow and inefficient their healthcare system is. I am by no means defending the US healthcare system as good. It’s not - it’s terrible. I just wish that those here that want to see it improved/reformed would look across the Pacific, not the Atlantic (or the northern border) for what a truly good healthcare system looks like.
    - cooolbear 2y ago
      > Then why are there stories of Canadians crossing the border to seek care in the US? Because they got the scrap to pay for it and they can't quite get what they're looking for in Canada. There are private clinics here, too, where you can pay out-of-pocket or maybe with private insurance for treatment where you haven't gotten a referral from your family doctor (PCP), but if you're looking for something specific and fast, you're in basically the same boat as any American. For example, my wife got a referral from our family doctor to what would basically be some local ENT for surgery on something that wasn't at all life-threatening but still needed to be dealt with. I'm pretty sure people from all over Canada come to see him and he's internationally-renowned, which I've gathered from him being out of the office for a few weeks to work out in Saudi Arabia and the UAE. He's got all these plaques on his wall for teaching at the university here here and in Saudi Arabia and such. I'm sure he is the cream-of-the-crop given that he's going to the other side of the world to do his thing. He just happened to be the guy that she got to see with just regular provincial health insurance. Also a totally lovely dude. Compare this, too, to the the whole debacle about Americans having to buy Canadian insulin ... > I work with some Canadians in Toronto. They’re always complaining how terribly slow and inefficient their healthcare system is. Well, it is slow and inefficient compared to most things when people expect to get everything on-demand, and it is probably worth complaining about. I'm pretty sure it's mainly because there's a doctor shortage crisis here and there's a lot of factors that go into why that's the case. But having grown up in the states where my family had very little money and I didn't go to the doctor at all for probably 10 years, I'm very glad to be here and get to go to the doctor at all. > I am by no means defending the US healthcare system as good. It’s not - it’s terrible. No worries--just saying that it can be hard to weigh salary vs. amenities (or necessities?!) and especially that things can be better than they are in the US :) > I just wish that those here that want to see it improved/reformed would look across the Pacific, not the Atlantic (or the northern border) for what a truly good healthcare system looks like. For sure. Now I'm curious about how it works and if there are any issues in funding or doctor supply like there are uh ... everywher eelse
constantcrying 2y ago
I think you are completely delusional about the US. They have healthcare as well, you know, they just pay it from their paycheck and it isn't deducted from their salary. >homelessness In Germany the state guarantees you housing. Yet it has a far bigger homelessness problem than the US.
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- OKRainbowKid 2y ago
  > In Germany the state guarantees you housing. Yet it has a far bigger homelessness problem than the US. Citation needed.
  - Clubber 2y ago
    Per capita, Germany has about 60% (31.4/10K vs 19.5/10K) higher homeless rate. I was surprised myself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_ho...
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      The Germans are really really good at documenting things. In the US documenting things stuff is often in the hands of people who look good if the numbers are low so... Also, nobody there cares about the homeless. In Germany they all still have social security so they need to be registered.
      - Clubber 2y ago
        How much of the 60% difference do you think that accounts for?
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        >The Germans are really really good at documenting things. Citation needed.

decafninja 2y ago

Frankly speaking, European healthcare does not seem that attractive to me versus decent to good employer backed American insurance. I’d rather have a (often significantly) bigger US salary. If there is a healthcare system that I’m envious of, it’s those of some East Asian countries. I know of some Asian-Americans in the US that do medical tourism to Asia despite having company insurance. Ends up being not only less expensive, but more importantly - also massively faster and more efficient to get treatment. Heck, I don’t know many, but I know there are Asian-Europeans that make the same trip too.

cooolbear 2y ago
Aside from the usury of US healthcare, even with insurance from your employer, dealing with the healthcare in Canada is a dream to the US. You might have to wait to see a doctor (most people probably still have to wait in the US if you're lucky enough to get treatment), but there's essentially no fight with layers and layers of occult insurance for anything you get a referral from a doctor for. No surprise or hidden 'networks' to speak of. I think that people who are fine with US healthcare don't really realize how incredibly inefficient and harmful it is to be so uncertain about whether or not insurance will cover your treatment.
- floxy 2y ago
  Is there a way to find out which CGRP medications for migraines are covered by which provincial health plans? Seems like a few of them are available if you have private insurance. Or if you could pay the fairly steep costs out of pocket.
  - sudosysgen 2y ago
    Each province maintains a master list of approved medications (and for some conditional approvement requirements), which is freely accessible.
- nxm 2y ago
  "most people probably still have to wait in the US if you're lucky enough to get treatment" This is really not the case. Over 92% of Americans have health coverage. I can also see practically any specialist next week....
  - cooolbear 2y ago
    > Over 92% of Americans have health coverage. How many choose to use it, though, and specifically, how many are afraid to use it because of cost? I'd count "waiting for an appointment/life to line up to see someone 'in network'" that as "lucky enough to get treatment" > I can also see practically any specialist next week.... It can be similarly the case in Canada if you pay out-of-pocket or with private insurance or travel, and people do the same in the US too.
- decafninja 2y ago
  Then why are there stories of Canadians crossing the border to seek care in the US? I work with some Canadians in Toronto. They’re always complaining how terribly slow and inefficient their healthcare system is. I am by no means defending the US healthcare system as good. It’s not - it’s terrible. I just wish that those here that want to see it improved/reformed would look across the Pacific, not the Atlantic (or the northern border) for what a truly good healthcare system looks like.
  - cooolbear 2y ago
    > Then why are there stories of Canadians crossing the border to seek care in the US? Because they got the scrap to pay for it and they can't quite get what they're looking for in Canada. There are private clinics here, too, where you can pay out-of-pocket or maybe with private insurance for treatment where you haven't gotten a referral from your family doctor (PCP), but if you're looking for something specific and fast, you're in basically the same boat as any American. For example, my wife got a referral from our family doctor to what would basically be some local ENT for surgery on something that wasn't at all life-threatening but still needed to be dealt with. I'm pretty sure people from all over Canada come to see him and he's internationally-renowned, which I've gathered from him being out of the office for a few weeks to work out in Saudi Arabia and the UAE. He's got all these plaques on his wall for teaching at the university here here and in Saudi Arabia and such. I'm sure he is the cream-of-the-crop given that he's going to the other side of the world to do his thing. He just happened to be the guy that she got to see with just regular provincial health insurance. Also a totally lovely dude. Compare this, too, to the the whole debacle about Americans having to buy Canadian insulin ... > I work with some Canadians in Toronto. They’re always complaining how terribly slow and inefficient their healthcare system is. Well, it is slow and inefficient compared to most things when people expect to get everything on-demand, and it is probably worth complaining about. I'm pretty sure it's mainly because there's a doctor shortage crisis here and there's a lot of factors that go into why that's the case. But having grown up in the states where my family had very little money and I didn't go to the doctor at all for probably 10 years, I'm very glad to be here and get to go to the doctor at all. > I am by no means defending the US healthcare system as good. It’s not - it’s terrible. No worries--just saying that it can be hard to weigh salary vs. amenities (or necessities?!) and especially that things can be better than they are in the US :) > I just wish that those here that want to see it improved/reformed would look across the Pacific, not the Atlantic (or the northern border) for what a truly good healthcare system looks like. For sure. Now I'm curious about how it works and if there are any issues in funding or doctor supply like there are uh ... everywher eelse

constantcrying 2y ago

I think you are completely delusional about the US. They have healthcare as well, you know, they just pay it from their paycheck and it isn't deducted from their salary. >homelessness In Germany the state guarantees you housing. Yet it has a far bigger homelessness problem than the US.

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OKRainbowKid 2y ago
> In Germany the state guarantees you housing. Yet it has a far bigger homelessness problem than the US. Citation needed.
- Clubber 2y ago
  Per capita, Germany has about 60% (31.4/10K vs 19.5/10K) higher homeless rate. I was surprised myself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_ho...
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    The Germans are really really good at documenting things. In the US documenting things stuff is often in the hands of people who look good if the numbers are low so... Also, nobody there cares about the homeless. In Germany they all still have social security so they need to be registered.
    - Clubber 2y ago
      How much of the 60% difference do you think that accounts for?
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      >The Germans are really really good at documenting things. Citation needed.