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Didn't Apple stop slowing people's old phones down when they were caught a few years ago? That probably plays a factor.

by riiii 2y ago

hot_gril 2y ago
Yeah, they tried very hard to take my headphone jack away by slowing down my iPhone 6. I waited for them to add that option to disable the throttler. Only reason I recently stopped using that phone is it completely died from being dropped.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  The alternative was your phone shutting off as the battery got old
  - hot_gril 2y ago
    Mine almost never shut down once I disabled the throttling. Maybe once.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      And you don’t see an issue with that and why Apple might want to take precautions against it on a wider scale?
      - hot_gril 2y ago
        Yes, I get it. Since they wanted to take this precaution, they could have told us and let us disable it. Instead, it was obvious that they tried to hide it for as long as possible. By the time someone proved it and there was enough PR fire to do something about it, probably a lot of frustrated users had already bought new phones. The end result for me personally was having a borderline unusable iPhone for how ever long this was, even though it was fairly new. And they never fixed the root cause, which was a seemingly flawed battery design.
RandallBrown 2y ago
They weren't just slowing down old phone's. They were maintaining battery life by throttling the CPU. As far as I know they added a setting to turn that feature off. Not sure if that's on by default or not.
- hot_gril 2y ago
  It was off by default, but it turns on if your phone unexpectedly shuts down. They later added the option to turn it off. The thing is, they were covering up a battery defect unique to a few models like the iPhone 6. Also the throttling was pretty conservative. It made my phone lag so hard that even typing in a default app like Messages was a chore. My phone almost never shut down even after I disabled it, so it's not like I needed it.
  - thebruce87m 2y ago
    > The thing is, they were covering up a battery defect unique to a few models like the iPhone 6. Do you have any proof of this? > My phone almost never shut down even after I disabled it, so it's not like I needed it. “Almost never” sounds like you did. There are a few factors at play such as temperature that can’t be exactly characterised so it has to be conservative.
    - hot_gril 2y ago
      Apple said it themselves about the 6S at least: https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/6/13853280/apple-iphone-6s-battery-problems-fix-explanation https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/6/13853280/apple-iphone-6s-... Mine shut down once, at a low %. It was a very easy decision to disable the throttling. Even if I were unlucky enough to get a model that shut down more frequently, the throttling was so bad that it'd have been worth disabling.
      - thebruce87m 2y ago
        I don’t see any indication this feature was put there to cover up the issue. It would definitely help since it helps with battery degradation in general, but they would limit it to specific models if it was that targeted and there would be no need to still have the feature around today.
thebruce87m 2y ago
They have never slowed down “old phones”. Anyone still spreading this is doing so maliciously by this point. They slowed individual handsets with degraded batteries to prevent resets. They still do. Replacing the battery brought the device back to full speed. They got flak for not telling the user, so they alert now. All new iPhones have this feature. Ironically this was actually to extend the life of the device - many people who would have upgraded if their phone was resetting under high load just carried on using it throttled (my wife included). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batterygate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batterygate
- riiii 2y ago
  Apple slowed down old phones with old batteries. Apple is the only malicious perpetrator here. For many years they had specifically denied that they were doing this. That is malicious and borderline criminal damage. Then when they got caught they came up with plausible deniability. It was evil, it was dishonest and it was awful.
  - thebruce87m 2y ago
    What you have posted is not supported by any evidence at all. Replacing the battery brought the handset to full speed. How do you fake this well enough for it to be only “plausible deniability”?
    - riiii 2y ago
      Apple lost a class action in the US and there is another UK class action pending. The Apple PR people are reaching pretty low trying to deny this ever happened. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67911517 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67911517
      - thebruce87m 2y ago
        Nobody is denying the existence of batterygate. Apple now describe the throttling on their website. The class action is around the notification to the users when the feature first came out. If they got “caught” then the feature wouldn’t still exist today, but it does. > Then when they got caught they came up with plausible deniability. This is the bit you need to prove. You are implying that they were maliciously doing something underhand rather than implementing a feature to stop degraded batteries causing reboots. How do you implement the exact features required for degraded battery management when you are trying to do something else like slow phones to sell more? That’s the bit you need to explain.

Didn't Apple stop slowing people's old phones down when they were caught a few years ago? That probably plays a factor.

by riiii 2y ago

Didn't Apple stop slowing people's old phones down when they were caught a few years ago? That probably plays a factor.

Yeah, they tried very hard to take my headphone jack away by slowing down my iPhone 6. I waited for them to add that option to disable the throttler. Only reason I recently stopped using that phone is it completely died from being dropped.

scarface_74 2y ago
The alternative was your phone shutting off as the battery got old
- hot_gril 2y ago
  Mine almost never shut down once I disabled the throttling. Maybe once.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    And you don’t see an issue with that and why Apple might want to take precautions against it on a wider scale?
    - hot_gril 2y ago
      Yes, I get it. Since they wanted to take this precaution, they could have told us and let us disable it. Instead, it was obvious that they tried to hide it for as long as possible. By the time someone proved it and there was enough PR fire to do something about it, probably a lot of frustrated users had already bought new phones. The end result for me personally was having a borderline unusable iPhone for how ever long this was, even though it was fairly new. And they never fixed the root cause, which was a seemingly flawed battery design.

RandallBrown 2y ago

They weren't just slowing down old phone's. They were maintaining battery life by throttling the CPU. As far as I know they added a setting to turn that feature off. Not sure if that's on by default or not.

hot_gril 2y ago
It was off by default, but it turns on if your phone unexpectedly shuts down. They later added the option to turn it off. The thing is, they were covering up a battery defect unique to a few models like the iPhone 6. Also the throttling was pretty conservative. It made my phone lag so hard that even typing in a default app like Messages was a chore. My phone almost never shut down even after I disabled it, so it's not like I needed it.
- thebruce87m 2y ago
  > The thing is, they were covering up a battery defect unique to a few models like the iPhone 6. Do you have any proof of this? > My phone almost never shut down even after I disabled it, so it's not like I needed it. “Almost never” sounds like you did. There are a few factors at play such as temperature that can’t be exactly characterised so it has to be conservative.
  - hot_gril 2y ago
    Apple said it themselves about the 6S at least: https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/6/13853280/apple-iphone-6s-battery-problems-fix-explanation https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/6/13853280/apple-iphone-6s-... Mine shut down once, at a low %. It was a very easy decision to disable the throttling. Even if I were unlucky enough to get a model that shut down more frequently, the throttling was so bad that it'd have been worth disabling.
    - thebruce87m 2y ago
      I don’t see any indication this feature was put there to cover up the issue. It would definitely help since it helps with battery degradation in general, but they would limit it to specific models if it was that targeted and there would be no need to still have the feature around today.

thebruce87m 2y ago

They have never slowed down “old phones”. Anyone still spreading this is doing so maliciously by this point. They slowed individual handsets with degraded batteries to prevent resets. They still do. Replacing the battery brought the device back to full speed. They got flak for not telling the user, so they alert now. All new iPhones have this feature. Ironically this was actually to extend the life of the device - many people who would have upgraded if their phone was resetting under high load just carried on using it throttled (my wife included). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batterygate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batterygate

riiii 2y ago
Apple slowed down old phones with old batteries. Apple is the only malicious perpetrator here. For many years they had specifically denied that they were doing this. That is malicious and borderline criminal damage. Then when they got caught they came up with plausible deniability. It was evil, it was dishonest and it was awful.
- thebruce87m 2y ago
  What you have posted is not supported by any evidence at all. Replacing the battery brought the handset to full speed. How do you fake this well enough for it to be only “plausible deniability”?
  - riiii 2y ago
    Apple lost a class action in the US and there is another UK class action pending. The Apple PR people are reaching pretty low trying to deny this ever happened. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67911517 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67911517
    - thebruce87m 2y ago
      Nobody is denying the existence of batterygate. Apple now describe the throttling on their website. The class action is around the notification to the users when the feature first came out. If they got “caught” then the feature wouldn’t still exist today, but it does. > Then when they got caught they came up with plausible deniability. This is the bit you need to prove. You are implying that they were maliciously doing something underhand rather than implementing a feature to stop degraded batteries causing reboots. How do you implement the exact features required for degraded battery management when you are trying to do something else like slow phones to sell more? That’s the bit you need to explain.