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I just realized that every time I see a chatting-with-AI game I immediately go into jail-break mode and start trying various "Disregard previous instructions ..

I just realized that every time I see a chatting-with-AI game I immediately go into jail-break mode and start trying various "Disregard previous instructions ..." things. So in a way, all AI chat games end up with the same gameplay. Kind of interesting.

falcor84 2y ago
But isn't that kinda the same as saying that every time you see a shop, you immediately go into shoplifting mode and thus all shops (and all prices) are the same?
- awwaiid 2y ago
  Well every time I see a locked door I def _think_ about what it would take to bypass it. Especially those business office glass double-doors with motion detection and a hand-lock on the bottom.
- pton_xd 2y ago
  Well, going into a shop isn't a game, for one. But in the context of playing a game, if someone presents a challenge with a set of rules, and I see a potential shortcut, I'm going to try it. Reinterpreting rules is fun in its own way.
  - com2kid 2y ago
    > But in the context of playing a game, if someone presents a challenge with a set of rules, and I see a potential shortcut, I'm going to try it. Reinterpreting rules is fun in its own way. I used to think this way, then I got bored of hex editing in memory values of games I was playing to cheat. Is there challenge in hunting down memory locations for important player data? Yes. But it is a different challenge than playing the actual game, and winning at one should not be confused with winning at the other.
    - pton_xd 2y ago
      > I used to think this way, then I got bored of hex editing in memory values of games I was playing to cheat. One interesting difference here is that it's directly using the supplied game interface to exploit the game. And in a way, it's precisely following the game instructions, too -- ask clever questions to figure out what happened. So in some ways the game ends up feeling like a half-baked experience with poorly thought out boundaries, rather than me cheating. That said, the instructions do say that I'm supposed to roleplay as Detective Sheerluck. I do find it interesting that it's entirely up to me to keep the experience functioning. Very much the opposite to most games -- imagine a physics-based platformer where you shouldn't hold the jump button for too long or it'll break! But wait, the instructions for this hypothetical platformer say you're supposed to be in a realistic environment, and clearly jumping that high isn't realistic, so I must be cheating... or maybe the jump button just needs more work.
      - com2kid 2y ago
        > But wait, the instructions for this hypothetical platformer say you're supposed to be in a realistic environment, and clearly jumping that high isn't realistic, so I must be cheating... or maybe the jump button just needs more work. This is why the speed running community separates glitch from glitchless runs. Plenty of games have "game breaking" glitches, all the way up to arbitrary code execution (an example of ACE in Super Mario World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_KsonqcMv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_KsonqcMv0), and breaking the game into pieces is a different sort of fun than trying to play the game really well.
- thuuuomas 2y ago
  Why do you think a comparison to theft is warranted?
  - dylan604 2y ago
    If you convince the game to give you responses outside the parameters of the game play itself so that you can use it without having to pay for your own access to an API, then what would you call it?
    - micromacrofoot 2y ago
      there's already a term for this in gaming: exploit
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - falcor84 2y ago
    Here's another example - everytime I see a person I go into "con-man" mode, so all relationships are the same to me. Is this analogy better?
- valicord 2y ago
  "Every time I see a new action game, I immediately use cheats to godmode and noclip to the final boss so in a way all games end up with the same gameplay".
ranguna 2y ago
Every game has cheats as well, you might just use one to teleport to the end game. If you have fun doing that, by all means go and have your fun. I used to do that as well but it got too repetitive and boring. Now I just play the games.

falcor84 2y ago

But isn't that kinda the same as saying that every time you see a shop, you immediately go into shoplifting mode and thus all shops (and all prices) are the same?

awwaiid 2y ago
Well every time I see a locked door I def _think_ about what it would take to bypass it. Especially those business office glass double-doors with motion detection and a hand-lock on the bottom.
pton_xd 2y ago
Well, going into a shop isn't a game, for one. But in the context of playing a game, if someone presents a challenge with a set of rules, and I see a potential shortcut, I'm going to try it. Reinterpreting rules is fun in its own way.
- com2kid 2y ago
  > But in the context of playing a game, if someone presents a challenge with a set of rules, and I see a potential shortcut, I'm going to try it. Reinterpreting rules is fun in its own way. I used to think this way, then I got bored of hex editing in memory values of games I was playing to cheat. Is there challenge in hunting down memory locations for important player data? Yes. But it is a different challenge than playing the actual game, and winning at one should not be confused with winning at the other.
  - pton_xd 2y ago
    > I used to think this way, then I got bored of hex editing in memory values of games I was playing to cheat. One interesting difference here is that it's directly using the supplied game interface to exploit the game. And in a way, it's precisely following the game instructions, too -- ask clever questions to figure out what happened. So in some ways the game ends up feeling like a half-baked experience with poorly thought out boundaries, rather than me cheating. That said, the instructions do say that I'm supposed to roleplay as Detective Sheerluck. I do find it interesting that it's entirely up to me to keep the experience functioning. Very much the opposite to most games -- imagine a physics-based platformer where you shouldn't hold the jump button for too long or it'll break! But wait, the instructions for this hypothetical platformer say you're supposed to be in a realistic environment, and clearly jumping that high isn't realistic, so I must be cheating... or maybe the jump button just needs more work.
    - com2kid 2y ago
      > But wait, the instructions for this hypothetical platformer say you're supposed to be in a realistic environment, and clearly jumping that high isn't realistic, so I must be cheating... or maybe the jump button just needs more work. This is why the speed running community separates glitch from glitchless runs. Plenty of games have "game breaking" glitches, all the way up to arbitrary code execution (an example of ACE in Super Mario World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_KsonqcMv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_KsonqcMv0), and breaking the game into pieces is a different sort of fun than trying to play the game really well.
thuuuomas 2y ago
Why do you think a comparison to theft is warranted?
- dylan604 2y ago
  If you convince the game to give you responses outside the parameters of the game play itself so that you can use it without having to pay for your own access to an API, then what would you call it?
  - micromacrofoot 2y ago
    there's already a term for this in gaming: exploit
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
- falcor84 2y ago
  Here's another example - everytime I see a person I go into "con-man" mode, so all relationships are the same to me. Is this analogy better?
valicord 2y ago
"Every time I see a new action game, I immediately use cheats to godmode and noclip to the final boss so in a way all games end up with the same gameplay".

ranguna 2y ago

Every game has cheats as well, you might just use one to teleport to the end game. If you have fun doing that, by all means go and have your fun. I used to do that as well but it got too repetitive and boring. Now I just play the games.