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You don't think affirmative action has anything to do with that? Affirmative action means you and everyone else there knows you had to pass a lower bar, of cour

You don't think affirmative action has anything to do with that? Affirmative action means you and everyone else there knows you had to pass a lower bar, of course that makes impostor syndrome worse.

lins1909 2y ago
> Affirmative action means you and everyone else there knows you had to pass a lower bar, of course that makes impostor syndrome worse. No, it doesn't. But if that makes you feel better, I hope you continue telling yourself that.
- commandlinefan 2y ago
  Wait, what? That's literally the definition.
  - Larrikin 2y ago
    That's the made up definition of affirmative action, not the actual one.
digging 2y ago
Calling it a lower bar is a completely disingenuous interpretation, when the reason for such policies in the first place is that the bar for entry is much higher for minority groups to be hired.
- em-bee 2y ago
  true but the problem here is how the programs are perceived. even if i had to pass a higher bar to get into university, when i realize that the bar is lowered to get a job, then how i got into university doesn't really matter anymore to me or to my new colleagues. so all the problems that come with the bar being lowered still do apply
- Ferret7446 2y ago
  It's not though? Discriminating based on minority status is illegal, and affirmative action is an explicit exception to allow discrimination (at least in education; in the private sector it should in theory still be illegal but it's not/rarely enforced).
  - Slyfox33 2y ago
    "Discriminating based on minority status is illegal" Are you actually suggesting that there isn't discrimination in hiring? If its not a company policy then you wont be able to prove that you were discriminated against. I don't know how you can sit here and say it doesn't happen.
  - digging 2y ago
    > It's not though? Discriminating based on minority status is illegal Hm, then I guess nobody does it.
    - commandlinefan 2y ago
      Well, no... they do the opposite and they aren't exactly subtle or circumspect about it.
- commandlinefan 2y ago
  > the bar for entry is much higher for minority groups ... no, it isn't - the entrance requirements are the exact same for everybody.
  - digging 2y ago
    > the entrance requirements are the exact same for everybody. What a beautiful fantasy, where humans don't make biased decisions.

You don't think affirmative action has anything to do with that? Affirmative action means you and everyone else there knows you had to pass a lower bar, of course that makes impostor syndrome worse.

lins1909 2y ago

> Affirmative action means you and everyone else there knows you had to pass a lower bar, of course that makes impostor syndrome worse. No, it doesn't. But if that makes you feel better, I hope you continue telling yourself that.

commandlinefan 2y ago
Wait, what? That's literally the definition.
- Larrikin 2y ago
  That's the made up definition of affirmative action, not the actual one.

digging 2y ago

Calling it a lower bar is a completely disingenuous interpretation, when the reason for such policies in the first place is that the bar for entry is much higher for minority groups to be hired.

em-bee 2y ago
true but the problem here is how the programs are perceived. even if i had to pass a higher bar to get into university, when i realize that the bar is lowered to get a job, then how i got into university doesn't really matter anymore to me or to my new colleagues. so all the problems that come with the bar being lowered still do apply
Ferret7446 2y ago
It's not though? Discriminating based on minority status is illegal, and affirmative action is an explicit exception to allow discrimination (at least in education; in the private sector it should in theory still be illegal but it's not/rarely enforced).
- Slyfox33 2y ago
  "Discriminating based on minority status is illegal" Are you actually suggesting that there isn't discrimination in hiring? If its not a company policy then you wont be able to prove that you were discriminated against. I don't know how you can sit here and say it doesn't happen.
- digging 2y ago
  > It's not though? Discriminating based on minority status is illegal Hm, then I guess nobody does it.
  - commandlinefan 2y ago
    Well, no... they do the opposite and they aren't exactly subtle or circumspect about it.
commandlinefan 2y ago
> the bar for entry is much higher for minority groups ... no, it isn't - the entrance requirements are the exact same for everybody.
- digging 2y ago
  > the entrance requirements are the exact same for everybody. What a beautiful fantasy, where humans don't make biased decisions.