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Judging by current distribution of interns, coding is becoming a female dominated field. I think this has more to do with pragmatic mindset of asian parents and

Judging by current distribution of interns, coding is becoming a female dominated field. I think this has more to do with pragmatic mindset of asian parents and less with any DEI efforts. How many other fields: - Are not dangerous or unreasonably physically strenuous - Pay good money - Keep you surrounded by respectable, educated people - Can be mastered in 4-6 years rather than running risk of getting old while still in college Not saying it's a negative, those are rational factors. We do need to make sure that young men are also able to become successful and equals of female SWEs.

Spivak 2y ago
Where? The experience of being the only woman in your math/cs class doesn't seem to have changed among the women we interview. Is it the non-uni "bootcamp" path? We don't get very many of them for whatever reason around here. I imagine because our in-state college is both good and affordable but obviously can't prove that.
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footy 2y ago
This is interesting to me, because it runs so counter to my own experience with young/early career developers. I run into more female devs close to my own age than younger (relative to male developers specifically).
rsanek 2y ago
latest data still only has them at 21% of cs graduates https://ngcproject.org/resources/stem-statistics-higher-education https://ngcproject.org/resources/stem-statistics-higher-educ...
- Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
  That would be an improvement over my anecdata of my final project class for my CS degree in 2014 having ~30 men and exactly two women.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    Then your class had lower than average women for the time. The overall numbers hasn't changed since then.
    - deathanatos 2y ago
      The numbers here are "and mathematical scientists"¹, so it's not (as upthread implies) CS grads, it's CS grads + other studies. I lived with a physics major; she did some code, would she have been counted?², but she was not a SWE in the making³. My gut would not think other math degrees would necessarily be more women heavy. But like upthread, my class was 2 women in a class of ~160, or <2%. Around that time I recall seeing a Stanford T-shirt with their ratio at something like 1:16, and they're prestigious enough one would expect their ratio to be above average. Not sure what to say, aside from I cannot reconcile it with experience, and the numbers being used here aren't the ones we need. (¹as this is how the source for the data, "National Survey of College Graduates", has uselessly lumped them together. The "mathematical" portion includes degrees such as statistics, "Mathematics, general", and other unspecified-by-the-methodology degrees. Even the "computer sciences" portion isn't just CS degrees, they've also lumped, e.g., IT in there.) (²no, probably not; when I wrote that I was looking at a graph another poster posted, but that graph seems to munch the category names. Likely physics would be under "Physical and related scientists", but also I can't find the methodology of then what a "mathematical science" is…) (³and in lecture, the in-lecture ratios changed rather dramatically once you got past the point of "other degrees require 2 courses of CS cross-training")
      - Jensson 2y ago
        This chart isn't lumping them, it has never been close to single digit percent for the past 50 years. Any class with sub 10% women is a big outlier. And as you can see from the graph, things hasn't really improved, classes used to have way more women, the single digit percent examples are low outliers at a time when things had already gotten really bad from where they used to. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cs.png?x85095 https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cs.png?x85095
chx 2y ago
https://swe.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Percent_WomenSTEM_1980-2023-1024x661.png https://swe.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Percent_WomenSTEM...
cchi_co 2y ago
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Spivak 2y ago

Where? The experience of being the only woman in your math/cs class doesn't seem to have changed among the women we interview. Is it the non-uni "bootcamp" path? We don't get very many of them for whatever reason around here. I imagine because our in-state college is both good and affordable but obviously can't prove that.

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footy 2y ago

This is interesting to me, because it runs so counter to my own experience with young/early career developers. I run into more female devs close to my own age than younger (relative to male developers specifically).

rsanek 2y ago

latest data still only has them at 21% of cs graduates https://ngcproject.org/resources/stem-statistics-higher-education https://ngcproject.org/resources/stem-statistics-higher-educ...

Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
That would be an improvement over my anecdata of my final project class for my CS degree in 2014 having ~30 men and exactly two women.
- Jensson 2y ago
  Then your class had lower than average women for the time. The overall numbers hasn't changed since then.
  - deathanatos 2y ago
    The numbers here are "and mathematical scientists"¹, so it's not (as upthread implies) CS grads, it's CS grads + other studies. I lived with a physics major; she did some code, would she have been counted?², but she was not a SWE in the making³. My gut would not think other math degrees would necessarily be more women heavy. But like upthread, my class was 2 women in a class of ~160, or <2%. Around that time I recall seeing a Stanford T-shirt with their ratio at something like 1:16, and they're prestigious enough one would expect their ratio to be above average. Not sure what to say, aside from I cannot reconcile it with experience, and the numbers being used here aren't the ones we need. (¹as this is how the source for the data, "National Survey of College Graduates", has uselessly lumped them together. The "mathematical" portion includes degrees such as statistics, "Mathematics, general", and other unspecified-by-the-methodology degrees. Even the "computer sciences" portion isn't just CS degrees, they've also lumped, e.g., IT in there.) (²no, probably not; when I wrote that I was looking at a graph another poster posted, but that graph seems to munch the category names. Likely physics would be under "Physical and related scientists", but also I can't find the methodology of then what a "mathematical science" is…) (³and in lecture, the in-lecture ratios changed rather dramatically once you got past the point of "other degrees require 2 courses of CS cross-training")
    - Jensson 2y ago
      This chart isn't lumping them, it has never been close to single digit percent for the past 50 years. Any class with sub 10% women is a big outlier. And as you can see from the graph, things hasn't really improved, classes used to have way more women, the single digit percent examples are low outliers at a time when things had already gotten really bad from where they used to. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cs.png?x85095 https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cs.png?x85095

chx 2y ago

https://swe.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Percent_WomenSTEM_1980-2023-1024x661.png https://swe.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Percent_WomenSTEM...

cchi_co 2y ago

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