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I'm in Europe and my colleagues who haven't managed to get fully remote yet and still got stuck in hybrid jobs generally do what they can to extend their WFH ti

I'm in Europe and my colleagues who haven't managed to get fully remote yet and still got stuck in hybrid jobs generally do what they can to extend their WFH time. Since the most common arrangement is 3:2, they often reverse it and sometimes their bosses don't even notice as they tend to WFH more than their reports.

dnpls 2y ago
They key is to "soft-ignore", so you're not officially ignoring orders but you're also not following it. If your boss asks, you're not ignoring it. If caught, you apologize and come to the office for a few weeks.
- mariusor 2y ago
  I feel like this type of behaviour lacks respect both for oneself and for one's boss.
  - BrandoElFollito 2y ago
    On France this is the exact opposite. It is showing respect to everyone and ensuring we get back to normalité once the waters calm down.
    - mariusor 2y ago
      Chuck it to me being a little neuro atypical, but I can't fathom how lying is "showing respect". :)
      - dvfjsdhgfv 2y ago
        Not the parent but if your boss is telling you you should come to the office tomorrow and the next week, she has a reason - maybe their boss told her to tighten the procedure? So out of respect to her you tell her yes, and come to the office tomorrow, and maybe even next week. But out of respect to yourself, you ignore these stupid, completely baseless, arbitrary rules that even your bosses don't follow in the long term.
        BrandoElFollito 2y ago
        This is pretty much it. There are some rules that arise because this is fashionable, PC or is the latest vision under the shower of the CEO. Management relays this, you nod with understanding, everyone follows the rule for a week or so when the company is measuring its incredible effects and then everyone comes back to normal. When this is done right, it is a win-win for everyone.
        mariusor 2y ago
        Sorry, I can't really function in an environment that thrives in this kind of duplicity.
        dvfjsdhgfv 2y ago
        I feel you, but how would you function the if you like all other aspects of your work? In one of my previous jobs the boss was asked publicly during a townhall why RTO if a few months later they praised WFH and insisted this is the way forward to the whole company. He seemed surprised, chuckled a little, then paused, and then said that he talked to his colleagues, that is C*Os, and they all confirmed office is much more fun, hence the decision to go 3:2. It was one of the most stupid public answers from a CEO I've ever heard. So if they play their games instead of being honest, it's not surprising employees follow.
        BrandoElFollito 2y ago
        It really depends on the culture. Being French I do not see it as "duplicity" - it is rather a way to accommodate the reality of life (dumb ideas), their impact (make it the lowest for you and for the company) and your comfort. Such white lies help everyone to be on top of their duties - your manager knows that they checked the mark called "evangelize the idea to your team" and you know that you checked the mark "I have provided useful feedback by nodding my head a few times". It stops there and life continues. In an ideal world, we would not need to do any of these because all ideas would be fantastic and everyone would be enthusiastic about them. Unfortunately, I do not live in such a place.
        2y ago
jimbomins 2y ago
Most of my former colleagues just ignore it. Big USA company and turns out they only started mandating it because the USA offices were going in so little. Others go in, have lunch (free canteen), then go home. Having ticked the system for enough days in. Then do their work from home because the office is such a disruptive place to get anything done. Most managers don't care so long as the work is getting completed on time.

dnpls 2y ago

They key is to "soft-ignore", so you're not officially ignoring orders but you're also not following it. If your boss asks, you're not ignoring it. If caught, you apologize and come to the office for a few weeks.

mariusor 2y ago
I feel like this type of behaviour lacks respect both for oneself and for one's boss.
- BrandoElFollito 2y ago
  On France this is the exact opposite. It is showing respect to everyone and ensuring we get back to normalité once the waters calm down.
  - mariusor 2y ago
    Chuck it to me being a little neuro atypical, but I can't fathom how lying is "showing respect". :)
    - dvfjsdhgfv 2y ago
      Not the parent but if your boss is telling you you should come to the office tomorrow and the next week, she has a reason - maybe their boss told her to tighten the procedure? So out of respect to her you tell her yes, and come to the office tomorrow, and maybe even next week. But out of respect to yourself, you ignore these stupid, completely baseless, arbitrary rules that even your bosses don't follow in the long term.
      - BrandoElFollito 2y ago
        This is pretty much it. There are some rules that arise because this is fashionable, PC or is the latest vision under the shower of the CEO. Management relays this, you nod with understanding, everyone follows the rule for a week or so when the company is measuring its incredible effects and then everyone comes back to normal. When this is done right, it is a win-win for everyone.
        mariusor 2y ago
        Sorry, I can't really function in an environment that thrives in this kind of duplicity.
        dvfjsdhgfv 2y ago
        I feel you, but how would you function the if you like all other aspects of your work? In one of my previous jobs the boss was asked publicly during a townhall why RTO if a few months later they praised WFH and insisted this is the way forward to the whole company. He seemed surprised, chuckled a little, then paused, and then said that he talked to his colleagues, that is C*Os, and they all confirmed office is much more fun, hence the decision to go 3:2. It was one of the most stupid public answers from a CEO I've ever heard. So if they play their games instead of being honest, it's not surprising employees follow.
        BrandoElFollito 2y ago
        It really depends on the culture. Being French I do not see it as "duplicity" - it is rather a way to accommodate the reality of life (dumb ideas), their impact (make it the lowest for you and for the company) and your comfort. Such white lies help everyone to be on top of their duties - your manager knows that they checked the mark called "evangelize the idea to your team" and you know that you checked the mark "I have provided useful feedback by nodding my head a few times". It stops there and life continues. In an ideal world, we would not need to do any of these because all ideas would be fantastic and everyone would be enthusiastic about them. Unfortunately, I do not live in such a place.
      - 2y ago

jimbomins 2y ago

Most of my former colleagues just ignore it. Big USA company and turns out they only started mandating it because the USA offices were going in so little. Others go in, have lunch (free canteen), then go home. Having ticked the system for enough days in. Then do their work from home because the office is such a disruptive place to get anything done. Most managers don't care so long as the work is getting completed on time.