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Brother, let's agree to disagree. I'm not involved in any of these licensing dramas as I don't have any feelings of entitlement to free labor. People can give a

Brother, let's agree to disagree. I'm not involved in any of these licensing dramas as I don't have any feelings of entitlement to free labor. People can give away as little or as much as they please.

lmm 2y ago
There's no "agree to disagree" when you're doing something that (whether you intend it that way or not) will end up scamming people. Don't tell people your code is open source when it's not open source. Don't tell people your code is free when it's not free. It's not entitlement to expect people to keep their word, even if you didn't pay them.
- evantbyrne 2y ago
  Accusing people of "scamming" you by giving you something for nothing, and putting their extremely permissive terms in clear writing, is acting entitled. You're not the lifeguard on this beach, so draw your lines in the sand somewhere else. Good day to you sir.
  - lmm 2y ago
    > "scamming" you by giving you something for nothing Again, Columbia Record Club > putting their extremely permissive terms in clear writing If the written terms are clear already, why do you want to call it free/open source? (Which it isn't)
    - evantbyrne 2y ago
      Do you really not understand that the colloquial use of these terms differ, and that most people don't even know about the FSF and OSI? On the other hand, the license has always been the law and everyone knows that. If you're just going off someone mentioning they "open-sourced" their work, not checking the license, and importing that into corporate projects, then you could end up with anything and would frankly be lucky to later find a FSL or BSL rather than something in the GPL family. Being scammed and just being dumb are two entirely different things, and you have yet to point out any real scams.
      - lmm 2y ago
        > If you're just going off someone mentioning they "open-sourced" their work, not checking the license, and importing that into corporate projects, then you could end up with anything and would frankly be lucky to later find a FSL or BSL rather than something in the GPL family. You would expect to be able to run the program freely, including as part of your production services, without incurring any obligations. And under any open-source license (including GPL-family) you can, because that's part of what open-source means. Getting presented with a bill because the program turned out to be BSL and the way you were using it means you need a commercial license is absolutely a scam.

lmm 2y ago

There's no "agree to disagree" when you're doing something that (whether you intend it that way or not) will end up scamming people. Don't tell people your code is open source when it's not open source. Don't tell people your code is free when it's not free. It's not entitlement to expect people to keep their word, even if you didn't pay them.

evantbyrne 2y ago
Accusing people of "scamming" you by giving you something for nothing, and putting their extremely permissive terms in clear writing, is acting entitled. You're not the lifeguard on this beach, so draw your lines in the sand somewhere else. Good day to you sir.
- lmm 2y ago
  > "scamming" you by giving you something for nothing Again, Columbia Record Club > putting their extremely permissive terms in clear writing If the written terms are clear already, why do you want to call it free/open source? (Which it isn't)
  - evantbyrne 2y ago
    Do you really not understand that the colloquial use of these terms differ, and that most people don't even know about the FSF and OSI? On the other hand, the license has always been the law and everyone knows that. If you're just going off someone mentioning they "open-sourced" their work, not checking the license, and importing that into corporate projects, then you could end up with anything and would frankly be lucky to later find a FSL or BSL rather than something in the GPL family. Being scammed and just being dumb are two entirely different things, and you have yet to point out any real scams.
    - lmm 2y ago
      > If you're just going off someone mentioning they "open-sourced" their work, not checking the license, and importing that into corporate projects, then you could end up with anything and would frankly be lucky to later find a FSL or BSL rather than something in the GPL family. You would expect to be able to run the program freely, including as part of your production services, without incurring any obligations. And under any open-source license (including GPL-family) you can, because that's part of what open-source means. Getting presented with a bill because the program turned out to be BSL and the way you were using it means you need a commercial license is absolutely a scam.