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Because the USA needs NATO and other shit to have soft power and keep its hegemony. Shit like what you said truly makes me wonder about the state of education

by piva00 2y ago

Because the USA needs NATO and other shit to have soft power and keep its hegemony. Shit like what you said truly makes me wonder about the state of education in the USA when you don't understand a basic geopolitical principle your country has enacted for 80+ years, with massive benefits.

inglor_cz 2y ago
Unhappy marriages are unstable, even if they make economic sense. Drag too much resentment into a relationship and people may do the irrational thing. I was witness to the dissolution of Czechoslovakia. Economically, it didn't make sense to do that. But the Slovaks really resented Czech paternalism and wanted to go their own way.
Dalewyn 2y ago
Europe needs the US more than the US needs Europe as far as NATO is concerned, the defence spending disparities speak for themselves. I sincerely question the logic behind our servicemen putting their lives on the line for someone resenting America this bad.
- piva00 2y ago
  > Europe needs the US more than the US needs Europe as far as NATO is concerned, the defence spending disparities speak for themselves. As far as the USA hegemony is concerned, NATO is an instrumental piece of soft and hard power. You are parroting Trump's arguments about defence spending as if the US spending is only concerning NATO, the US spend a lot in defence because it's been your bread and butter to maintain a global reach as a superpower, the moment you lose this you'll see America's influence diminish, if that's what you wish please go ahead and pull out but so far it's been very beneficial to you in the USA to be the de facto global enforcer during Pax Americana. > I sincerely question the logic behind our servicemen putting their lives on the line for someone resenting America this bad. Geopolitics are not based on feelings, it's based on advantages and trade-offs, your feelings don't matter for this. Coming from a person that once said in a comment "love is a mental illness" you seem to be quite the non-rational actor, with knee-jerk reactions when your feelings are hurt. Try to comprehend that the life as you know as an American is dependent on keeping your dollar as the most powerful currency, which demands being backed by the most powerful military, with the most trading routes possible, and with trade as stable as possible around the globe. NATO is just a piece of the puzzle, it's not about what the others allies feel about you. You are also forgetting 4 years of Trump with a possible re-election of this piece of shit, there are reasons for allies to be resenting America, it's becoming unstable and less trustworthy.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    >You are parroting Trump's arguments about defence spending as if the US spending is only concerning NATO, the US spend a lot in defence because it's been your bread and butter to maintain a global reach as a superpower, the moment you lose this you'll see America's influence diminish, if that's what you wish please go ahead and pull out but so far it's been very beneficial to you in the USA to be the de facto global enforcer during Pax Americana. American influence and Pax Americana is on its way out this century one way or another, including the fact it's not even just Trump who is pushing for it. Remember Obama declared America is no longer the world police. Our insane defence budget is a common point of criticism by other countries including so-called "allies", and yet y'all bitch very loudly if we so much as suggest acting on them (eg: leave NATO). Get your act together and at least pretend you want us around, otherwise I repeat my sentiment that I doubt the logic of things like NATO. >Geopolitics are not based on feelings, it's based on advantages and trade-offs, your feelings don't matter for this. America is a democracy, so ultimately our everything is based on the feelings of the people who vote. I for one do not want to see servicemen get stationed at and fight for countries who resent us, end of. Also see inglor_cz's comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40927190 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40927190 >You are also forgetting 4 years of Trump with a possible re-election of this piece of shit, Given the choices presented, I am in fact voting for Trump. Problem? >there are reasons for allies to be resenting America, it's becoming unstable and less trustworthy. Then, once again, stop complaining when or if we act upon your claims because we're tired of the bullshit.
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    - piva00 2y ago
      > Given the choices presented, I am in fact voting for Trump. Problem? I question your judgment but given other comments I read on HN coming from your username it's actually not that surprising you are taking such an immensely stupid decision. Good luck, you are just a sad unloved human being with strongly emotional opinions, nothing really I can discuss with to land on some common ground.

by piva00 2y ago

inglor_cz 2y ago

Unhappy marriages are unstable, even if they make economic sense. Drag too much resentment into a relationship and people may do the irrational thing. I was witness to the dissolution of Czechoslovakia. Economically, it didn't make sense to do that. But the Slovaks really resented Czech paternalism and wanted to go their own way.

Dalewyn 2y ago

Europe needs the US more than the US needs Europe as far as NATO is concerned, the defence spending disparities speak for themselves. I sincerely question the logic behind our servicemen putting their lives on the line for someone resenting America this bad.

piva00 2y ago
> Europe needs the US more than the US needs Europe as far as NATO is concerned, the defence spending disparities speak for themselves. As far as the USA hegemony is concerned, NATO is an instrumental piece of soft and hard power. You are parroting Trump's arguments about defence spending as if the US spending is only concerning NATO, the US spend a lot in defence because it's been your bread and butter to maintain a global reach as a superpower, the moment you lose this you'll see America's influence diminish, if that's what you wish please go ahead and pull out but so far it's been very beneficial to you in the USA to be the de facto global enforcer during Pax Americana. > I sincerely question the logic behind our servicemen putting their lives on the line for someone resenting America this bad. Geopolitics are not based on feelings, it's based on advantages and trade-offs, your feelings don't matter for this. Coming from a person that once said in a comment "love is a mental illness" you seem to be quite the non-rational actor, with knee-jerk reactions when your feelings are hurt. Try to comprehend that the life as you know as an American is dependent on keeping your dollar as the most powerful currency, which demands being backed by the most powerful military, with the most trading routes possible, and with trade as stable as possible around the globe. NATO is just a piece of the puzzle, it's not about what the others allies feel about you. You are also forgetting 4 years of Trump with a possible re-election of this piece of shit, there are reasons for allies to be resenting America, it's becoming unstable and less trustworthy.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  >You are parroting Trump's arguments about defence spending as if the US spending is only concerning NATO, the US spend a lot in defence because it's been your bread and butter to maintain a global reach as a superpower, the moment you lose this you'll see America's influence diminish, if that's what you wish please go ahead and pull out but so far it's been very beneficial to you in the USA to be the de facto global enforcer during Pax Americana. American influence and Pax Americana is on its way out this century one way or another, including the fact it's not even just Trump who is pushing for it. Remember Obama declared America is no longer the world police. Our insane defence budget is a common point of criticism by other countries including so-called "allies", and yet y'all bitch very loudly if we so much as suggest acting on them (eg: leave NATO). Get your act together and at least pretend you want us around, otherwise I repeat my sentiment that I doubt the logic of things like NATO. >Geopolitics are not based on feelings, it's based on advantages and trade-offs, your feelings don't matter for this. America is a democracy, so ultimately our everything is based on the feelings of the people who vote. I for one do not want to see servicemen get stationed at and fight for countries who resent us, end of. Also see inglor_cz's comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40927190 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40927190 >You are also forgetting 4 years of Trump with a possible re-election of this piece of shit, Given the choices presented, I am in fact voting for Trump. Problem? >there are reasons for allies to be resenting America, it's becoming unstable and less trustworthy. Then, once again, stop complaining when or if we act upon your claims because we're tired of the bullshit.
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  - piva00 2y ago
    > Given the choices presented, I am in fact voting for Trump. Problem? I question your judgment but given other comments I read on HN coming from your username it's actually not that surprising you are taking such an immensely stupid decision. Good luck, you are just a sad unloved human being with strongly emotional opinions, nothing really I can discuss with to land on some common ground.