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> When pay went up it inverted and that is really the problem. Men colonized computing and pushed women out only when it became a source of good income and resp

by imiric 2y ago

> When pay went up it inverted and that is really the problem. Men colonized computing and pushed women out only when it became a source of good income and respected as a profession. You're using some loaded terms there. How exactly did men "push" women out of computing? Women were just as free as men to create their own tech startups. Yet in the past 50 years most tech startups and today's tech giants were created by men. Some women are tech entrepreneurs today, but the field is highly male dominated. We see the same ratio in engineering education, and in most companies not actively discriminating against male candidates. The idea that there is some systemic discrimination against women in tech is ridiculous. There are specific cases of wage gap some companies need to address (which is a general problem not exclusive to tech), but most companies would hire capable women if they applied. Yet they rarely do.

ben_w 2y ago
You're conflating entrepreneur with engineer. Different skills entirely, which is why Jobs was never famous for his code and Wozniak isn't famous for his reality distortion field.
- imiric 2y ago
  Is there a distinction between them as far as "women in tech" goes? The ratio of both compared to men is pretty much the same.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > Is there a distinction between them as far as "women in tech" goes? One involves being good at software engineering, the other involves being good at running a business. Getting good at either involves very different experiences, schools, colleges, and mentors. The stereotype* for software engineers when I went through my degree was introverted nerds with undeveloped social skills. The stereotype* for business people is cocaine orgies. * to complain that the stereotype is inaccurate is to miss the impact of the stereotype on what choices people make when deciding which subject to do a degree in and hence where they go after graduation > The ratio of both compared to men is pretty much the same. The percentage of software developers who are women varies from 8-22% depending on my source. Even if they were identical, correlation doesn't mean causation — this range of "% of x who are women" also overlapps with the percentage of furries who are women, and it should hopefully be obvious you can't answer that by asking anything about how many women are entrepreneurs.
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by imiric 2y ago

ben_w 2y ago

You're conflating entrepreneur with engineer. Different skills entirely, which is why Jobs was never famous for his code and Wozniak isn't famous for his reality distortion field.

imiric 2y ago
Is there a distinction between them as far as "women in tech" goes? The ratio of both compared to men is pretty much the same.
- ben_w 2y ago
  > Is there a distinction between them as far as "women in tech" goes? One involves being good at software engineering, the other involves being good at running a business. Getting good at either involves very different experiences, schools, colleges, and mentors. The stereotype* for software engineers when I went through my degree was introverted nerds with undeveloped social skills. The stereotype* for business people is cocaine orgies. * to complain that the stereotype is inaccurate is to miss the impact of the stereotype on what choices people make when deciding which subject to do a degree in and hence where they go after graduation > The ratio of both compared to men is pretty much the same. The percentage of software developers who are women varies from 8-22% depending on my source. Even if they were identical, correlation doesn't mean causation — this range of "% of x who are women" also overlapps with the percentage of furries who are women, and it should hopefully be obvious you can't answer that by asking anything about how many women are entrepreneurs.

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