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or move into Europe where the weather is great and life is happier (from someone who did). It's miserable in the UK and everyone agrees, though not everyone has

or move into Europe where the weather is great and life is happier (from someone who did). It's miserable in the UK and everyone agrees, though not everyone has the situation or balls to make the leap...

zwnow 2y ago
What makes you think we are generally happier? Europe is experiencing a right wing shift due to people being unhappy. The coming years won't be good for any of us to be honest.
- throwup238 2y ago
  The UK experienced that same right wing shift 14 years ago and is now dealing with the fallout. Europe is still in its honeymoon phase with the latest batch of right wing demagogues.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > UK experienced that same right wing shift 14 years ago Not sure these are comparable. Britain’s shift was led by its elites. Europe’s is closer to a dumping of its elites. Taken to their logical ends, the Britain after its threatened political revolutions will still look recognisable. France post RN or Germany AfD would be completely remade.
    - throwup238 2y ago
      > Not sure these are comparable. Britain’s shift was led by its elites. Europe’s is closer to a dumping of its elites. What does that mean? How is a political party funded by a bunch of generational rich right wingers dumping elites? None of these right wing parties would exist without rich people funding them. They're not grassroots movements, regardless of how they try to portray themselves.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > How is a political party funded by a bunch of generational rich right wingers dumping elites? It’s a new set of elites. Starmer is still connected and conversant with the present batch of elites. > None of these right wing parties would exist without rich people funding them This is true of practically every revolution outside fairy tales. (It’s why fairy tales need divine intervention and/or superpowers to be believable.)
        throwup238 2y ago
        What is the new set of elites in France and Germany? How are they different from the old batch of elites? As far as I can tell, it's all the same donors and special interests. The only difference is in the rhetorical window dressing. You might as well be comparing Lidl and Aldi.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > How are they different from the old batch of elites? They’re in different social circles! They don’t socialise with each other. That’s the difference. Bardella is a college drop-out, for instance. > it's all the same donors and special interests If you aren’t looking for how subsets in that group align and reälign you’re missing the entirety of politics.
  - csomar 2y ago
    France very recently did a full 180.
    - cassianoleal 2y ago
      Not quite. France has been "centre" for a while. Recently the far-right gained some ground. A left alliance appeared but now Macron's centre doesn't want to bring the largest party of the left alliance into the government. That's at most a 25 degree turn IMO, but in reality it's probably going to be crazy steering and hoping not to hit the guardrails or run off the cliff.
  - c7THEC2DDFVV2V 2y ago
    death of left was with new labour. That was the _real_ shift to the right.
omnicognate 2y ago
> and everyone agrees I don't.
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zwnow 2y ago

What makes you think we are generally happier? Europe is experiencing a right wing shift due to people being unhappy. The coming years won't be good for any of us to be honest.

throwup238 2y ago
The UK experienced that same right wing shift 14 years ago and is now dealing with the fallout. Europe is still in its honeymoon phase with the latest batch of right wing demagogues.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > UK experienced that same right wing shift 14 years ago Not sure these are comparable. Britain’s shift was led by its elites. Europe’s is closer to a dumping of its elites. Taken to their logical ends, the Britain after its threatened political revolutions will still look recognisable. France post RN or Germany AfD would be completely remade.
  - throwup238 2y ago
    > Not sure these are comparable. Britain’s shift was led by its elites. Europe’s is closer to a dumping of its elites. What does that mean? How is a political party funded by a bunch of generational rich right wingers dumping elites? None of these right wing parties would exist without rich people funding them. They're not grassroots movements, regardless of how they try to portray themselves.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > How is a political party funded by a bunch of generational rich right wingers dumping elites? It’s a new set of elites. Starmer is still connected and conversant with the present batch of elites. > None of these right wing parties would exist without rich people funding them This is true of practically every revolution outside fairy tales. (It’s why fairy tales need divine intervention and/or superpowers to be believable.)
      - throwup238 2y ago
        What is the new set of elites in France and Germany? How are they different from the old batch of elites? As far as I can tell, it's all the same donors and special interests. The only difference is in the rhetorical window dressing. You might as well be comparing Lidl and Aldi.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > How are they different from the old batch of elites? They’re in different social circles! They don’t socialise with each other. That’s the difference. Bardella is a college drop-out, for instance. > it's all the same donors and special interests If you aren’t looking for how subsets in that group align and reälign you’re missing the entirety of politics.
- csomar 2y ago
  France very recently did a full 180.
  - cassianoleal 2y ago
    Not quite. France has been "centre" for a while. Recently the far-right gained some ground. A left alliance appeared but now Macron's centre doesn't want to bring the largest party of the left alliance into the government. That's at most a 25 degree turn IMO, but in reality it's probably going to be crazy steering and hoping not to hit the guardrails or run off the cliff.
- c7THEC2DDFVV2V 2y ago
  death of left was with new labour. That was the _real_ shift to the right.

omnicognate 2y ago

> and everyone agrees I don't.

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