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Au contraire? Respectfully, in my opinion sitting back and hoping someone else has the motivation to be inquisitive/curious is counter to the spirit of HN. Fur

by dfc 14y ago

Au contraire? Respectfully, in my opinion sitting back and hoping someone else has the motivation to be inquisitive/curious is counter to the spirit of HN. Furthermore as others have pointed out (as well as myself in another thread) CoS has deep pockets and I imagine that serves as a decent motivation for big media to not publish the incident.

mikescar 14y ago
Nothing complex about this--it's a time-saving measure. Obviously there will be plenty of people sifting through this data, and we are free to rely on them to do so. You don't have to do everything yourself and find every data problem interesting to keep within the 'spirit of HN'.
- dfc 14y ago
  It has nothing to do with finding everything interesting. I was speaking about the "if there is ever something interesting, the journalists will investigate/sum it up for me" line of reasoning. And whats with the "we are free" language, its not a cable news show. When did I ever say that anyone lacked the liberty to do something?
  - javajosh 14y ago
    Tell you what, you sift through the data and let me know what you find via email!
  - mikescar 14y ago
    You're reading entirely too much into minor points.
  - anthonyb 14y ago
    Well, technically you are free to ignore the Scientologists... up until they overthrow the government and appoint L. Ron's disembodied head as ruler for life.
javajosh 14y ago
I think the underlying message here is that Scientology is a lot more interesting to you than it is to me! Honestly, I care about global warming a lot more and yet I didn't take much time to sift through the "Climategate" emails in detail[1]. I also care about Linux security, and yet I've not done an audit of the kernel I'm currently running. I also care about the federal tax code, and have certainly not taken the time to analyze it for inconsistencies and unfairness. Would you say that these decisions are "counter to the spirit of HN"? Of course, Paul Graham started HN mainly to have intelligent, on topic discussions about technology and startup issues. And in that sense, apart from my aside about "data scoops", I am probably posting contrary to the spirit of HN, since the bulk of this message and the one before it are just simple opinion expression, rather than anything more susbtantive. Heck, now that I think about it I'm tempted to delete them both! [1]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_... And for the record, those emails are pretty disgusting and I'm surprised and disappointed at the reaction.
- anthonyb 14y ago
  So you're disgusted / "surprised and disappointed" at the reaction to the CRU emails, and yet you still trust other people to filter your news for you? This is why you need to inform yourself about what's going on in the world. At least look at things with a critical eye, and not just throw up your hands and say "Oh well, the journalists will filter the important bits for me."
- jmyc 14y ago
  From your link, "Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct" (concerning the "climategate" e-mails). By hearing the cherry-picked quotes from those e-mails, you could get the impression that they're full of fraud, but now that the dust has settled and the investigations have been made, do you really think they're disgusting? I think this example is counter to your point. The initial media reaction gave the complete wrong impression, and the later findings that the story is nonsense went completely unreported.
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Produce 14y ago
This isn't HN, it's Reddit with a different theme. Didn't you get the memo?

by dfc 14y ago

mikescar 14y ago

Nothing complex about this--it's a time-saving measure. Obviously there will be plenty of people sifting through this data, and we are free to rely on them to do so. You don't have to do everything yourself and find every data problem interesting to keep within the 'spirit of HN'.

dfc 14y ago
It has nothing to do with finding everything interesting. I was speaking about the "if there is ever something interesting, the journalists will investigate/sum it up for me" line of reasoning. And whats with the "we are free" language, its not a cable news show. When did I ever say that anyone lacked the liberty to do something?
- javajosh 14y ago
  Tell you what, you sift through the data and let me know what you find via email!
- mikescar 14y ago
  You're reading entirely too much into minor points.
- anthonyb 14y ago
  Well, technically you are free to ignore the Scientologists... up until they overthrow the government and appoint L. Ron's disembodied head as ruler for life.

javajosh 14y ago

I think the underlying message here is that Scientology is a lot more interesting to you than it is to me! Honestly, I care about global warming a lot more and yet I didn't take much time to sift through the "Climategate" emails in detail[1]. I also care about Linux security, and yet I've not done an audit of the kernel I'm currently running. I also care about the federal tax code, and have certainly not taken the time to analyze it for inconsistencies and unfairness. Would you say that these decisions are "counter to the spirit of HN"? Of course, Paul Graham started HN mainly to have intelligent, on topic discussions about technology and startup issues. And in that sense, apart from my aside about "data scoops", I am probably posting contrary to the spirit of HN, since the bulk of this message and the one before it are just simple opinion expression, rather than anything more susbtantive. Heck, now that I think about it I'm tempted to delete them both! [1]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_... And for the record, those emails are pretty disgusting and I'm surprised and disappointed at the reaction.

anthonyb 14y ago
So you're disgusted / "surprised and disappointed" at the reaction to the CRU emails, and yet you still trust other people to filter your news for you? This is why you need to inform yourself about what's going on in the world. At least look at things with a critical eye, and not just throw up your hands and say "Oh well, the journalists will filter the important bits for me."
jmyc 14y ago
From your link, "Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct" (concerning the "climategate" e-mails). By hearing the cherry-picked quotes from those e-mails, you could get the impression that they're full of fraud, but now that the dust has settled and the investigations have been made, do you really think they're disgusting? I think this example is counter to your point. The initial media reaction gave the complete wrong impression, and the later findings that the story is nonsense went completely unreported.
- 14y ago

Produce 14y ago

This isn't HN, it's Reddit with a different theme. Didn't you get the memo?