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I’d like to see that evidence. Which “divisive and inaccurate model” are you talking about exactly?

justonenote 2y ago
Specifically I am talking about the inaccurate model that there is no sex differences and the idea of male and female genders are socially constructed.
- danShumway 2y ago
  This is somewhat begging the question. It assumes that: A) this is a unified model for how queer people talk about gender. B) the term "cisgender" does anything at all to advance it. And C) that it causes harm. without providing any evidence for any of those claims. ---- It also assumes: D) that the multiple ideas being bundled up here are entirely incorrect, or that they are some kind of new idea. Male and female genders are socially constructed, at the very least in presentation -- and that's not a new idea, it's an entirely uncontroversial understanding of gender that's been around for ages. Just as one example, pink used to be a manly color. Social stereotypes of women as innocent or highly sexual and wild also vary between cultures and time periods. This has been a theory of gender for a long time, it's not a new idea. And it has nothing to do with sexual biological differences beyond expressing the (again, entirely uncontroversial and generally accepted) idea that not all social customs and attitudes are 100% biologically based. ---- And you might have criticism of that model, just like you might have criticisms of gender essentialism. There is not uniformity on how to view gender even within queer communities. There is no singular model to debunk. Everyone (queer or not) has their own model of gender. And that's the final problem to bring up, that you're also assuming: E) that the statement "I'm not cisgender, I'm normal" doesn't have harmful effects, or that it doesn't push people towards a competing model of gender with its own flaws and inaccuracies that could be interrogated in the exact same way as other gender/sex models.
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- superb_dev 2y ago
  “There is no sex differences” is not a belief that anyone seriously holds, it’s an obvious strawman. “Male and female genders [aren’t] socially constructed” I don’t think the science agrees with you there.

Specifically I am talking about the inaccurate model that there is no sex differences and the idea of male and female genders are socially constructed.

danShumway 2y ago
This is somewhat begging the question. It assumes that: A) this is a unified model for how queer people talk about gender. B) the term "cisgender" does anything at all to advance it. And C) that it causes harm. without providing any evidence for any of those claims. ---- It also assumes: D) that the multiple ideas being bundled up here are entirely incorrect, or that they are some kind of new idea. Male and female genders are socially constructed, at the very least in presentation -- and that's not a new idea, it's an entirely uncontroversial understanding of gender that's been around for ages. Just as one example, pink used to be a manly color. Social stereotypes of women as innocent or highly sexual and wild also vary between cultures and time periods. This has been a theory of gender for a long time, it's not a new idea. And it has nothing to do with sexual biological differences beyond expressing the (again, entirely uncontroversial and generally accepted) idea that not all social customs and attitudes are 100% biologically based. ---- And you might have criticism of that model, just like you might have criticisms of gender essentialism. There is not uniformity on how to view gender even within queer communities. There is no singular model to debunk. Everyone (queer or not) has their own model of gender. And that's the final problem to bring up, that you're also assuming: E) that the statement "I'm not cisgender, I'm normal" doesn't have harmful effects, or that it doesn't push people towards a competing model of gender with its own flaws and inaccuracies that could be interrogated in the exact same way as other gender/sex models.
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superb_dev 2y ago
“There is no sex differences” is not a belief that anyone seriously holds, it’s an obvious strawman. “Male and female genders [aren’t] socially constructed” I don’t think the science agrees with you there.