> Yes, I'm sure their CSAM was trained on publicly available data. They sell broken-by-design devices with decades old kernel for an exuberant price but people

> Yes, I'm sure their CSAM was trained on publicly available data. They sell broken-by-design devices with decades old kernel for an exuberant price but people still fall for the stale "sEcUrItY" marketing pitch. Talk about naive. and see, the problem is that people think this passes for a rebuttal, or even civilized discourse. You're literally the exact cliche that pops up in every discussion around privacy that I was referring to in my comment above. It truly costs you nothing to have a little bit of civility and class. Most of us are here to discuss and not to meme about “le apple CSAM”. I'm guessing that you're arguing about something that literally doesn't exist, to be honest. Endpoint CSAM scanning was never rolled out to consumer devices, it was a proposal from the EU (that popular savior!) that Apple successfully stalled and navigated until E2E was ready for rollout, upon which they said "lol no, that's stupid" and then the push fell apart. Regardless though, complying with lawful authorities inside their jurisdictions is something that every corporation is gonna have to do... even in china. If the EU makes dumb decisions, it's not exactly Apple's fault. EU sovereignty cuts both ways, sometimes you get GDPR and sometimes you get mandatory nannyware. But since it didn't pass, I don't know why you'd bring it up as even an issue, let alone as being something caused by apple? And again, to go back to the start, the fact that this vague "apple bad" argumentation is so routine and so tolerated is silly. You're mad about something that wasn't caused by apple and didn't actually happen anyway. It's vague tonal FUD and virtue-signaling to other people who are similar haters, and there's enough people who upvote/echo similar sentiments that it is self-sustaining. You can address the point without ducking out to random "but what about that one unrelated-to-apple bad-thing that almost happened that one time???" virtue-signaling points. The ever-relevant Paul Graham: https://paulgraham.com/fh.html https://paulgraham.com/fh.html