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Gosh, if only there was a device vendor who didn’t do that, and offered the option for encrypted cloud backups and e2e encryption for all your inter-device traf

by paulmd 2y ago

Gosh, if only there was a device vendor who didn’t do that, and offered the option for encrypted cloud backups and e2e encryption for all your inter-device traffic, and designed their privacy-sensitive services to work on anonymized tokens instead of device identifiers or user accounts… … but apple sells ads too therefore every option is equally bad! It’s funny to see people admit with the AI stuff that apple is getting it right, introducing privacy-protecting approaches and services, etc, yet refuse to admit that the same perspective and approaches have informed all their services for a long time. In the day to day, there is no legitimate debate that Apple Maps is vastly more privacy preserving than google maps, etc. People use some weird purity test where because App Store ads exist suddenly apple is the same as a literal adtech company.

alemanek 2y ago
If Apple still made a router I would buy it. But they don’t… A new AirPort Extreme with an M Series I would be all over that though.
0xedd 2y ago
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- paulmd 2y ago
  > Yes, I'm sure their CSAM was trained on publicly available data. They sell broken-by-design devices with decades old kernel for an exuberant price but people still fall for the stale "sEcUrItY" marketing pitch. Talk about naive. and see, the problem is that people think this passes for a rebuttal, or even civilized discourse. You're literally the exact cliche that pops up in every discussion around privacy that I was referring to in my comment above. It truly costs you nothing to have a little bit of civility and class. Most of us are here to discuss and not to meme about “le apple CSAM”. I'm guessing that you're arguing about something that literally doesn't exist, to be honest. Endpoint CSAM scanning was never rolled out to consumer devices, it was a proposal from the EU (that popular savior!) that Apple successfully stalled and navigated until E2E was ready for rollout, upon which they said "lol no, that's stupid" and then the push fell apart. Regardless though, complying with lawful authorities inside their jurisdictions is something that every corporation is gonna have to do... even in china. If the EU makes dumb decisions, it's not exactly Apple's fault. EU sovereignty cuts both ways, sometimes you get GDPR and sometimes you get mandatory nannyware. But since it didn't pass, I don't know why you'd bring it up as even an issue, let alone as being something caused by apple? And again, to go back to the start, the fact that this vague "apple bad" argumentation is so routine and so tolerated is silly. You're mad about something that wasn't caused by apple and didn't actually happen anyway. It's vague tonal FUD and virtue-signaling to other people who are similar haters, and there's enough people who upvote/echo similar sentiments that it is self-sustaining. You can address the point without ducking out to random "but what about that one unrelated-to-apple bad-thing that almost happened that one time???" virtue-signaling points. The ever-relevant Paul Graham: https://paulgraham.com/fh.html https://paulgraham.com/fh.html
  - spdustin 2y ago
    Plus, their CSAM scanner used hashsets provided by a third party that is used by every other CSAM scanner, IIRC.
account42 2y ago
> … but apple sells ads too therefore every option is equally bad! Yes. It also doesn't help that said device vendor has been trying to destroy computing freedom while sabotaging open standards left and right. > It’s funny to see people admit with the AI stuff that apple is getting it right, introducing privacy-protecting approaches and services, etc, yet refuse to admit that the same perspective and approaches have informed all their services for a long time. It's funny that different people on the Internet express different and sometimes conflicting opinions?

by paulmd 2y ago

alemanek 2y ago

If Apple still made a router I would buy it. But they don’t… A new AirPort Extreme with an M Series I would be all over that though.

0xedd 2y ago

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paulmd 2y ago
> Yes, I'm sure their CSAM was trained on publicly available data. They sell broken-by-design devices with decades old kernel for an exuberant price but people still fall for the stale "sEcUrItY" marketing pitch. Talk about naive. and see, the problem is that people think this passes for a rebuttal, or even civilized discourse. You're literally the exact cliche that pops up in every discussion around privacy that I was referring to in my comment above. It truly costs you nothing to have a little bit of civility and class. Most of us are here to discuss and not to meme about “le apple CSAM”. I'm guessing that you're arguing about something that literally doesn't exist, to be honest. Endpoint CSAM scanning was never rolled out to consumer devices, it was a proposal from the EU (that popular savior!) that Apple successfully stalled and navigated until E2E was ready for rollout, upon which they said "lol no, that's stupid" and then the push fell apart. Regardless though, complying with lawful authorities inside their jurisdictions is something that every corporation is gonna have to do... even in china. If the EU makes dumb decisions, it's not exactly Apple's fault. EU sovereignty cuts both ways, sometimes you get GDPR and sometimes you get mandatory nannyware. But since it didn't pass, I don't know why you'd bring it up as even an issue, let alone as being something caused by apple? And again, to go back to the start, the fact that this vague "apple bad" argumentation is so routine and so tolerated is silly. You're mad about something that wasn't caused by apple and didn't actually happen anyway. It's vague tonal FUD and virtue-signaling to other people who are similar haters, and there's enough people who upvote/echo similar sentiments that it is self-sustaining. You can address the point without ducking out to random "but what about that one unrelated-to-apple bad-thing that almost happened that one time???" virtue-signaling points. The ever-relevant Paul Graham: https://paulgraham.com/fh.html https://paulgraham.com/fh.html
- spdustin 2y ago
  Plus, their CSAM scanner used hashsets provided by a third party that is used by every other CSAM scanner, IIRC.

account42 2y ago

> … but apple sells ads too therefore every option is equally bad! Yes. It also doesn't help that said device vendor has been trying to destroy computing freedom while sabotaging open standards left and right. > It’s funny to see people admit with the AI stuff that apple is getting it right, introducing privacy-protecting approaches and services, etc, yet refuse to admit that the same perspective and approaches have informed all their services for a long time. It's funny that different people on the Internet express different and sometimes conflicting opinions?