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Wouldn't the sites just not allow the content to play on a non-DRM approved browser?

pcwalton 2y ago
There's no good way to verify that the browser hasn't been tampered with at the moment. Web Environment Integrity was an attempt, but that was withdrawn after outcry.
dheera 2y ago
If they start doing that I would just run the DRM-approved browser in a virtual machine and capture its screen.
- miki123211 2y ago
  With true web DRM (like the one for Netflix but not the one for YT), that doesn't work, at least not at higher resolutions and in the most secure modes. The video is decrypted such that your OS is prevented from ever seeing its contents, it goes straight to the GPU. If that isn't possible, the video won't play at all (or it's going to play in a less secure mode and hence at a lower resolution). The best you can hope for is playing the video and capturing it with a physical HDMI capture card, though that loophole is eventually also going to go away as newer HDMI standards are released and better DRM gets enforced.
  - xigoi 2y ago
    It’s sad that instead of developing new technologies to fight global problems like poverty and climate change, the best engineers in the world are working on preventing people from using their own devices however they want.
    - dheera 2y ago
      I don't work in DRM, but they are probably having their hands tied with effectively "work on this or you may not be able to stay in the US", greencard application still in the pipeline, threat of being pipped. The poverty/climate change places also don't pay enough to even live a mediocre life. Hence, the best engineers just obey orders and work on shitty things that pay the bills.
  - dheera 2y ago
    > newer HDMI standards are released and better DRM gets enforced In that case the true analog loophole will still be possible with a camera pointed at a monitor inside a light-proof box. If it comes to that, I will build such a device. AI can probably fix degraded video quality pretty nicely anyway.
    - miki123211 2y ago
      Until most people switch to VR / AR and devices refuse to play any content unless they successfully do a retinal scan. This definitely won't happen in the next 5 years, but the next 30? I wouldn't be so sure.
      - amiga386 2y ago
        Please drink verification can to continue

There's no good way to verify that the browser hasn't been tampered with at the moment. Web Environment Integrity was an attempt, but that was withdrawn after outcry.

dheera 2y ago

If they start doing that I would just run the DRM-approved browser in a virtual machine and capture its screen.

miki123211 2y ago
With true web DRM (like the one for Netflix but not the one for YT), that doesn't work, at least not at higher resolutions and in the most secure modes. The video is decrypted such that your OS is prevented from ever seeing its contents, it goes straight to the GPU. If that isn't possible, the video won't play at all (or it's going to play in a less secure mode and hence at a lower resolution). The best you can hope for is playing the video and capturing it with a physical HDMI capture card, though that loophole is eventually also going to go away as newer HDMI standards are released and better DRM gets enforced.
- xigoi 2y ago
  It’s sad that instead of developing new technologies to fight global problems like poverty and climate change, the best engineers in the world are working on preventing people from using their own devices however they want.
  - dheera 2y ago
    I don't work in DRM, but they are probably having their hands tied with effectively "work on this or you may not be able to stay in the US", greencard application still in the pipeline, threat of being pipped. The poverty/climate change places also don't pay enough to even live a mediocre life. Hence, the best engineers just obey orders and work on shitty things that pay the bills.
- dheera 2y ago
  > newer HDMI standards are released and better DRM gets enforced In that case the true analog loophole will still be possible with a camera pointed at a monitor inside a light-proof box. If it comes to that, I will build such a device. AI can probably fix degraded video quality pretty nicely anyway.
  - miki123211 2y ago
    Until most people switch to VR / AR and devices refuse to play any content unless they successfully do a retinal scan. This definitely won't happen in the next 5 years, but the next 30? I wouldn't be so sure.
    - amiga386 2y ago
      Please drink verification can to continue