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Do you think anybody at YouTube is concerned that you can no longer download their videos?

toastercat 2y ago
Probably not.
FeepingCreature 2y ago
If I were working at YouTube, I would be at least somewhat concerned at the increasing volume of nerds unhappy about not having videos for projects like PeerTube to call upon. For people who just follow subscriptions, not the discovery page, Youtube doesn't really have a moat. PeerTube integrated into Mastodon is a borderline existential threat.
- iowemoretohim 2y ago
  > PeerTube integrated into Mastodon is a borderline existential threat. Sorry even as a big fan of PeerTube and Mastodon this is simply delusional.
Liquix 2y ago
of course not. i think parent comment means not accessing youtube's videos is preferable to ever visiting the bloated, tracker-infested, dark pattern rife g**gle frontends.
- unshavedyak 2y ago
  As someone who pays for YT, i hate it and generally can't wait to leave it permanently. Sounds bizarre, i know. But i get _some_ value out of YT, but not the price of the sub. Worse even, is that as a paying customer i still feel like their UI is hostile and i need to modulate my behavior to fight their algoritm. God forbid i click on a video that i don't want to see 5,000 times on my home page.
autoexec 2y ago
Download/watch/interact with in any way. I doubt they care about any one person not using their services. It's just that watching youtube using youtube.com or using their app (which I won't even install) is such a shitty experience that it isn't worth it to me. I'd rather never see another youtube video again than subject myself to it. I doubt enough people will reach that level of fed up for it to hurt Google's profits, but that doesn't matter to me. I was happy enough to use youtube and give google my data on my own terms. If a workaround to this issue can't be found I'll be disappointed by Google's decision to cut off third party applications, but they won't be successful in trying to force me to accept their terms.
- remus 2y ago
  > I was happy enough to use youtube and give google my data on my own terms. I don't think they're really that bothered about your data. They want to show you ads or sell you yt premium.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    The thing google cares about most (after money) is your data. Youtube is just one of many places ads are shown and ads themselves are just one way to turn your data into money. Youtube ads in particular make money in part by being so obnoxious that people will pay youtube to stop the ads from getting in their way. I have a strict policy against paying people to remove the problems they themselves created for me (AKA racketeering) so I was never going to be a youtube premium customer, but there are plenty of other opportunities to make money from my data, including through ads, even without those ads I won't tolerate on youtube. I'm not Google's preferred user, but that doesn't mean they can't still make money at my expense.
kergonath 2y ago
No, not really. But the longer this sort of things goes on, the more eager people there will be to jump on the next YouTube competitor. In any case, even if they don’t care, I do. And as long as a video has to be played on a screen there will be workarounds.

Probably not.

If I were working at YouTube, I would be at least somewhat concerned at the increasing volume of nerds unhappy about not having videos for projects like PeerTube to call upon. For people who just follow subscriptions, not the discovery page, Youtube doesn't really have a moat. PeerTube integrated into Mastodon is a borderline existential threat.

iowemoretohim 2y ago
> PeerTube integrated into Mastodon is a borderline existential threat. Sorry even as a big fan of PeerTube and Mastodon this is simply delusional.

Liquix 2y ago

of course not. i think parent comment means not accessing youtube's videos is preferable to ever visiting the bloated, tracker-infested, dark pattern rife g**gle frontends.

unshavedyak 2y ago
As someone who pays for YT, i hate it and generally can't wait to leave it permanently. Sounds bizarre, i know. But i get _some_ value out of YT, but not the price of the sub. Worse even, is that as a paying customer i still feel like their UI is hostile and i need to modulate my behavior to fight their algoritm. God forbid i click on a video that i don't want to see 5,000 times on my home page.

autoexec 2y ago

Download/watch/interact with in any way. I doubt they care about any one person not using their services. It's just that watching youtube using youtube.com or using their app (which I won't even install) is such a shitty experience that it isn't worth it to me. I'd rather never see another youtube video again than subject myself to it. I doubt enough people will reach that level of fed up for it to hurt Google's profits, but that doesn't matter to me. I was happy enough to use youtube and give google my data on my own terms. If a workaround to this issue can't be found I'll be disappointed by Google's decision to cut off third party applications, but they won't be successful in trying to force me to accept their terms.

remus 2y ago
> I was happy enough to use youtube and give google my data on my own terms. I don't think they're really that bothered about your data. They want to show you ads or sell you yt premium.
- autoexec 2y ago
  The thing google cares about most (after money) is your data. Youtube is just one of many places ads are shown and ads themselves are just one way to turn your data into money. Youtube ads in particular make money in part by being so obnoxious that people will pay youtube to stop the ads from getting in their way. I have a strict policy against paying people to remove the problems they themselves created for me (AKA racketeering) so I was never going to be a youtube premium customer, but there are plenty of other opportunities to make money from my data, including through ads, even without those ads I won't tolerate on youtube. I'm not Google's preferred user, but that doesn't mean they can't still make money at my expense.

kergonath 2y ago

No, not really. But the longer this sort of things goes on, the more eager people there will be to jump on the next YouTube competitor. In any case, even if they don’t care, I do. And as long as a video has to be played on a screen there will be workarounds.