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I just won't be watching youtube at all until a workaround is found. If that doesn't happen, it was nice knowing you youtube. My guess though is that this will

I just won't be watching youtube at all until a workaround is found. If that doesn't happen, it was nice knowing you youtube. My guess though is that this will be fixed pretty quickly. Just like every other time Google has done this.

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
Its funny because they could probably satisfy all parties. Why not explore silent ad banners similar to during sports games broadcasts?
- devmor 2y ago
  I'm of the opinion that applying logic to advertising is a fruitless effort. The largest and most successful companies in the world regularly waste insane sums of money on avenues of advertisement that can't even be measured. I've sat in on meetings with marketing teams ordering hundreds of thousands of dollars of custom development work for ad campaigns with research entirely based on what I can only describe as "vibes". They will hire psychologists to tell them that flashing the color yellow while playing a tone in C-flat increases the viewer's desire to spend money on floral scents and no one in the room will question it. There are reasonable advertisements that would not annoy consumers, but those aren't what keep an industry of middle managers and scam artists alive.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    > They will hire psychologists to tell them that flashing the color yellow while playing a tone in C-flat increases the viewer's desire to spend money on floral scents and no one in the room will question it. Sadly some of those psychologists aren't lying or scamming. There are all kinds of weaknesses and vulnerabilities in the human brain (some universal and some cultural) that can be exploited, at least often enough for it to be worth doing. There's an entire dark psychology industry around it and it involves human experimentation, including experiments on infants and children (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/even-3-year-old-knows-brands-flna1C9443417 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/even-3-year-old-k...), research into centuries of real world data on what tends to work well for scammers, fraudsters, preachers, cult leaders, and politicians, and the cutting edge of neuroscience. I mean, yeah, some of it really is bullshit with very shitty science behind it, but it's easy (and tempting) to dismiss how effective and manipulative advertising is. We all want to think we're smart enough to see through it and are therefore immune, but like many optical illusions even when you know what's really going on your brain can't help but accept the lies. We're full of blind spots, cognitive biases, and hubris which is why such insane amounts of cash get pumped into ads and ad research. To an uncomfortable extent, it works. We can arm ourselves with knowledge and critical thinking skills, but the most important thing you can do to protect yourself is to just avoid advertising wherever and whenever you can.
- sbarre 2y ago
  I suspect what they will eventually do is dynamically splice ads directly into the source video when serving it, so it's just there in the mp4 data along with the video you actually want to watch.
  - seabrookmx 2y ago
    Rumour is that this is coming very soon.
  - ixwt 2y ago
    It's certainly coming soon. I've noticed it in podcasts recently. There have been a few hiccups with them recently.
    - LtWorf 2y ago
      That existed for a long time. Remember magnatunes?
      - deleted 2y ago
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  - shrx 2y ago
    Sponsorblock already exists.
    - ixwt 2y ago
      True, and it can work... As long as the ad spots are static and not dynamically placed.
      - solarized 2y ago
        agree! its just not make sense to block user attention before or while watching the vids.
      - metalliqaz 2y ago
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tedunangst 2y ago
Do you think anybody at YouTube is concerned that you can no longer download their videos?
- toastercat 2y ago
  Probably not.
- FeepingCreature 2y ago
  If I were working at YouTube, I would be at least somewhat concerned at the increasing volume of nerds unhappy about not having videos for projects like PeerTube to call upon. For people who just follow subscriptions, not the discovery page, Youtube doesn't really have a moat. PeerTube integrated into Mastodon is a borderline existential threat.
  - iowemoretohim 2y ago
    > PeerTube integrated into Mastodon is a borderline existential threat. Sorry even as a big fan of PeerTube and Mastodon this is simply delusional.
- Liquix 2y ago
  of course not. i think parent comment means not accessing youtube's videos is preferable to ever visiting the bloated, tracker-infested, dark pattern rife g**gle frontends.
  - unshavedyak 2y ago
    As someone who pays for YT, i hate it and generally can't wait to leave it permanently. Sounds bizarre, i know. But i get _some_ value out of YT, but not the price of the sub. Worse even, is that as a paying customer i still feel like their UI is hostile and i need to modulate my behavior to fight their algoritm. God forbid i click on a video that i don't want to see 5,000 times on my home page.
- autoexec 2y ago
  Download/watch/interact with in any way. I doubt they care about any one person not using their services. It's just that watching youtube using youtube.com or using their app (which I won't even install) is such a shitty experience that it isn't worth it to me. I'd rather never see another youtube video again than subject myself to it. I doubt enough people will reach that level of fed up for it to hurt Google's profits, but that doesn't matter to me. I was happy enough to use youtube and give google my data on my own terms. If a workaround to this issue can't be found I'll be disappointed by Google's decision to cut off third party applications, but they won't be successful in trying to force me to accept their terms.
exe34 2y ago
i feel the same way, if YouTube becomes too hard to watch without adverts and buffering, I simply regain time. I have more than enough already to watch/read for more than one lifetime. YouTube is only useful insofar as I can get some more updated information, and a few distractions.

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago

Its funny because they could probably satisfy all parties. Why not explore silent ad banners similar to during sports games broadcasts?

devmor 2y ago
I'm of the opinion that applying logic to advertising is a fruitless effort. The largest and most successful companies in the world regularly waste insane sums of money on avenues of advertisement that can't even be measured. I've sat in on meetings with marketing teams ordering hundreds of thousands of dollars of custom development work for ad campaigns with research entirely based on what I can only describe as "vibes". They will hire psychologists to tell them that flashing the color yellow while playing a tone in C-flat increases the viewer's desire to spend money on floral scents and no one in the room will question it. There are reasonable advertisements that would not annoy consumers, but those aren't what keep an industry of middle managers and scam artists alive.
- autoexec 2y ago
  > They will hire psychologists to tell them that flashing the color yellow while playing a tone in C-flat increases the viewer's desire to spend money on floral scents and no one in the room will question it. Sadly some of those psychologists aren't lying or scamming. There are all kinds of weaknesses and vulnerabilities in the human brain (some universal and some cultural) that can be exploited, at least often enough for it to be worth doing. There's an entire dark psychology industry around it and it involves human experimentation, including experiments on infants and children (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/even-3-year-old-knows-brands-flna1C9443417 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/even-3-year-old-k...), research into centuries of real world data on what tends to work well for scammers, fraudsters, preachers, cult leaders, and politicians, and the cutting edge of neuroscience. I mean, yeah, some of it really is bullshit with very shitty science behind it, but it's easy (and tempting) to dismiss how effective and manipulative advertising is. We all want to think we're smart enough to see through it and are therefore immune, but like many optical illusions even when you know what's really going on your brain can't help but accept the lies. We're full of blind spots, cognitive biases, and hubris which is why such insane amounts of cash get pumped into ads and ad research. To an uncomfortable extent, it works. We can arm ourselves with knowledge and critical thinking skills, but the most important thing you can do to protect yourself is to just avoid advertising wherever and whenever you can.
sbarre 2y ago
I suspect what they will eventually do is dynamically splice ads directly into the source video when serving it, so it's just there in the mp4 data along with the video you actually want to watch.
- seabrookmx 2y ago
  Rumour is that this is coming very soon.
- ixwt 2y ago
  It's certainly coming soon. I've noticed it in podcasts recently. There have been a few hiccups with them recently.
  - LtWorf 2y ago
    That existed for a long time. Remember magnatunes?
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
- shrx 2y ago
  Sponsorblock already exists.
  - ixwt 2y ago
    True, and it can work... As long as the ad spots are static and not dynamically placed.
    - solarized 2y ago
      agree! its just not make sense to block user attention before or while watching the vids.
    - metalliqaz 2y ago

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tedunangst 2y ago

Do you think anybody at YouTube is concerned that you can no longer download their videos?

toastercat 2y ago
Probably not.
FeepingCreature 2y ago
If I were working at YouTube, I would be at least somewhat concerned at the increasing volume of nerds unhappy about not having videos for projects like PeerTube to call upon. For people who just follow subscriptions, not the discovery page, Youtube doesn't really have a moat. PeerTube integrated into Mastodon is a borderline existential threat.
- iowemoretohim 2y ago
  > PeerTube integrated into Mastodon is a borderline existential threat. Sorry even as a big fan of PeerTube and Mastodon this is simply delusional.
Liquix 2y ago
of course not. i think parent comment means not accessing youtube's videos is preferable to ever visiting the bloated, tracker-infested, dark pattern rife g**gle frontends.
- unshavedyak 2y ago
  As someone who pays for YT, i hate it and generally can't wait to leave it permanently. Sounds bizarre, i know. But i get _some_ value out of YT, but not the price of the sub. Worse even, is that as a paying customer i still feel like their UI is hostile and i need to modulate my behavior to fight their algoritm. God forbid i click on a video that i don't want to see 5,000 times on my home page.
autoexec 2y ago
Download/watch/interact with in any way. I doubt they care about any one person not using their services. It's just that watching youtube using youtube.com or using their app (which I won't even install) is such a shitty experience that it isn't worth it to me. I'd rather never see another youtube video again than subject myself to it. I doubt enough people will reach that level of fed up for it to hurt Google's profits, but that doesn't matter to me. I was happy enough to use youtube and give google my data on my own terms. If a workaround to this issue can't be found I'll be disappointed by Google's decision to cut off third party applications, but they won't be successful in trying to force me to accept their terms.

exe34 2y ago

i feel the same way, if YouTube becomes too hard to watch without adverts and buffering, I simply regain time. I have more than enough already to watch/read for more than one lifetime. YouTube is only useful insofar as I can get some more updated information, and a few distractions.