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Boeing sold just three passenger jets in the past month
- labster 2y agoIt’s hard for convicted felons to get a job.
- richwater 2y agoAirlines are just bluffing to try and get better deals from Boeing. Many airlines have no interest in creating (or extending) mixed fleets.
- chatmasta 2y agoI’m a customer of airlines, and I’m not bluffing when I choose the airline with a fleet of Airbus planes over the one with a bunch of Boeings.
- Alupis 2y agoSomething about airplanes really brings out the illogical side of otherwise very smart folks. You've heard about a couple Boeing incidents over the past few months - during which millions and millions of miles where traveled in perfectly safe Boeing aircraft of all ages and models, all over the world. It's been said over and over, but should be said again - you're vastly more likely to die on your way to the airport than once aboard an aircarft... any aircraft. Knee-jerk reactions and declarations like this are as foolish as naïve.
- chatmasta 2y agoAnd I’m more likely to die on a Boeing than an Airbus, so as long as we’re comparing micromort risks, why is my survival preference rational only above some threshold of risk differential? There’s also the “vote with your wallet” aspect of it. I don’t like the direction Boeing is moving. Their past safety profile is less relevant to me than their future trajectory. (Also, I take the train to the airport, and I minimize highway driving precisely because of its high relative risk.)
- Alupis 2y agoAirbus has their share of issues as well. You just haven't cared to read about them. In fact, several Airbus crashes have been a result of their illogical control system, with two disconnected, additive-input joysticks. I don't mean this is a disparaging way, but this perspective is naïve and ignorant.
- OrigamiPastrami 2y agoWell let's quantify it. How many crashes per miles are there for Boeing vs Airbus? And if per mile is not the correct metric, what is? I found this infographic after a quick search which implies Boeing is a lot worse than Airbus. https://i.redd.it/enzplrs6avvc1.jpeg https://i.redd.it/enzplrs6avvc1.jpeg
- Alupis 2y agoThis graph doesn't say what you think it does. It's more naïve click-bait. An incident is anything abnormal, including low tire pressure or bird strike. The graph uses data from NTSB, a US agency - and the graph shows US data. In the US, vastly more Boeing aircraft are in the skies than Airbus. The graphics is effectively click-bait BS.
- OrigamiPastrami 2y agoIf you have no data to support your argument, then you have no argument. I asked you how many crashes per mile and you ignored it. I asked if you have a better metric and you ignored it. I'm open to my infographic being misleading, but so far I'm the only person that brought data to this argument.
- whimsicalism 2y agofrankly that is irrational
- Zigurd 2y agoThere is room for some bluffing for a while: a) Until Boeing's backlog is drawn down to where a 737 could be delivered years before an A320, which would be to Boeing's advantage, or... b) Airbus manages to make A220 production faster, more profitable, and they make a stretch variant, which could make the 737 obsolete.
- ramesh31 2y ago>) Airbus manages to make A220 production faster, more profitable, and they make a stretch variant, which could make the 737 obsolete. This is the dark horse. The A220 is a strictly superior aircraft to the 737-8/9 for its segment, and Boeing has nothing to match it, because they spent the last decade retrofitting a 60 year old airframe rather than building a new plane. Turns out innovation is important for companies who produce high technology.
- Alupis 2y agoAirlines invest heavily into the ecosystem around their chosen aircraft. They will not switch away from 737's and their excellent track record just because A220 might be moderately slightly improved for a short duration...
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- barryrandall 2y agoAirlines want planes in the air making money every hour of every day. They can't make money from the planes when they're grounded due to lax QA at their incumbent supplier (who happens to be a felon).
- alephnerd 2y agoClickbait title. Boeing delivered 14 brand new jets in the previous month - 3 737 Maxes and 11 777 Freighters This is a better article - https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/boeing-deliveries-drop-27-june-year-on-year-2024-07-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/boeing-de...
- Zigurd 2y agoNot topping up the order book is a serious problem.
- nerdponx 2y agoIs it? I thought they had a huge backlog already. Unless they are so mismanaged that they can't afford to build the planes they already agreed to deliver, it sounds like they have plenty of time before it becomes a problem.
- Zigurd 2y agoCan be deceptive: With low delivery rates as there are now, the backlog for 737s is more than 25 years. But nobody at the end of that list is going to take delivery 20 years from now, or maybe even 10. See also 1 million pre-orders for Cybertruck. This is also why being on track to make 50+ 737s per month is the incentive that dominates, not quality.
- ramesh31 2y agoDeliveries != sales. These are locked in contractually for years in advance.
- alephnerd 2y agoThe CNN article is talking about deliveries as well. Both Reuters and CNN are reporting about the same press release.
- jamesdhutton 2y agoI don't think this article provides enough context to draw conclusions about why sales are down for Boeing. Are airline sales down for everyone, or just for Boeing? Is Boeing losing market share? Are airlines cancelling orders?