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For anyone having trouble with the logic here, which seems like a lot of people in this thread for some reason: [Google's browser] comes with [code] that [does

For anyone having trouble with the logic here, which seems like a lot of people in this thread for some reason: [Google's browser] comes with [code] that [does things] in a default installation of [Google's browser] that [Google's competitors] can't do in a default installation of [Google's browser].

SahAssar 2y ago
Didn't you leave out that [Google's browser] allows [Google's websites] to do things [other websites] cannot? Ostensibly [Google's websites] are websites like any other, but [Google's browser] treats them differently. IIRC Mozilla does similar things for addons.mozilla.org, but googles seem more broad since they are not as clearly linked to browser functionality.
- lwansbrough 2y ago
  We’re saying the same thing. There are some who believe this is okay. But it is clearly monopolistic behaviour that should be regulated.
  - SahAssar 2y ago
    My reading of your comment was defensive of google, basically "google ships a software package so of course they should be able to do stuff others can't" where I tried to highlight "google ships a browser which should of course treat websites equally". Seems like I misunderstood the intent behind your comment.
kristjansson 2y ago
[does relatively innocuous, relatively boring things]
- some_random 2y ago
  That only Google can do, which makes competing with them harder. This isn't difficult to understand.
  - kristjansson 2y ago
    yes the resource monitoring and alerting on meet was instrumental to my decision to cancel all other software subscriptions and give all my money to google
    - some_random 2y ago
      What the fuck are you talking about?
    - realce 2y ago
      It's generally anti-competitive behavior, your personal experience with it has no bearing?
      - kristjansson 2y ago
        I’m joking a bit, but I do think it’s important to articulate the purported harms of claims of anti-competitive behavior. What did they do with this capability? How did that harm their competitors? Is the actual conduct worth getting up in arms about?
- ffhhj 2y ago
  Like [slowing Youtube down] on [Firefox] [0]. [0]: https://www.zdnet.com/article/youtube-is-slowing-video-loads-on-firefox-heres-how-to-fix-that/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/youtube-is-slowing-video-loads...
  - rvnx 2y ago
    A "bug", like breaking Google Docs on Vivaldi ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
paulddraper 2y ago
Can you elaborate? Is it just Google's competitors, or it is everyone?
Suppafly 2y ago
I don't have a problem with the logic, I'm just not sure why I should care. I imagine Edge probably can do magic stuff on microsoft sites that it can't on the rest of the web too. It makes sense for the browser to have a higher level of trust for the company that makes it than it does for the wider web.
- lupire 2y ago
  There was massive antitrust lawsuit about behavior like this, when browses where new.
  - Suppafly 2y ago
    >There was massive antitrust lawsuit about behavior like this, when browses where new. I'm still no sure why I should care.
    - curtisblaine 2y ago
      > I'm still no sure why I should care. Because the Web is supposed to be based on open standards and browsers are supposed to be neutral platforms that implement the standards. If you don't care about that, fair: nobody really cares that you don't care. What everybody cares about is what happens if some of the various antitrust agencies of the world start caring.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  Some people remember when the government went after Microsoft for having secret APIs that only IE could use. ... but other people remember that in the time since, that entire Microsoft monopoly fiasco is held up as an example of bad prosecution, and we don't go after companies like that anymore.
  - Suppafly 2y ago
    >... but other people remember that in the time since, that entire Microsoft monopoly fiasco is held up as an example of bad prosecution, and we don't go after companies like that anymore. This, but also, I still don't see anyone posting a compelling reason why I should care about this issue. The government and I don't necessarily have the same interests. Personally I don't care that google gives their own browser more access to my computer when I use google services, and if it improves my experience, I actually want that to be the case. The bulk of the complaints about this just seem to be tattletale behavior you see from children, not any thought out complaints based upon an actual harm.
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SahAssar 2y ago

Didn't you leave out that [Google's browser] allows [Google's websites] to do things [other websites] cannot? Ostensibly [Google's websites] are websites like any other, but [Google's browser] treats them differently. IIRC Mozilla does similar things for addons.mozilla.org, but googles seem more broad since they are not as clearly linked to browser functionality.

lwansbrough 2y ago
We’re saying the same thing. There are some who believe this is okay. But it is clearly monopolistic behaviour that should be regulated.
- SahAssar 2y ago
  My reading of your comment was defensive of google, basically "google ships a software package so of course they should be able to do stuff others can't" where I tried to highlight "google ships a browser which should of course treat websites equally". Seems like I misunderstood the intent behind your comment.

kristjansson 2y ago

[does relatively innocuous, relatively boring things]

some_random 2y ago
That only Google can do, which makes competing with them harder. This isn't difficult to understand.
- kristjansson 2y ago
  yes the resource monitoring and alerting on meet was instrumental to my decision to cancel all other software subscriptions and give all my money to google
  - some_random 2y ago
    What the fuck are you talking about?
  - realce 2y ago
    It's generally anti-competitive behavior, your personal experience with it has no bearing?
    - kristjansson 2y ago
      I’m joking a bit, but I do think it’s important to articulate the purported harms of claims of anti-competitive behavior. What did they do with this capability? How did that harm their competitors? Is the actual conduct worth getting up in arms about?
ffhhj 2y ago
Like [slowing Youtube down] on [Firefox] [0]. [0]: https://www.zdnet.com/article/youtube-is-slowing-video-loads-on-firefox-heres-how-to-fix-that/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/youtube-is-slowing-video-loads...
- rvnx 2y ago
  A "bug", like breaking Google Docs on Vivaldi ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

paulddraper 2y ago

Can you elaborate? Is it just Google's competitors, or it is everyone?

Suppafly 2y ago

I don't have a problem with the logic, I'm just not sure why I should care. I imagine Edge probably can do magic stuff on microsoft sites that it can't on the rest of the web too. It makes sense for the browser to have a higher level of trust for the company that makes it than it does for the wider web.

lupire 2y ago
There was massive antitrust lawsuit about behavior like this, when browses where new.
- Suppafly 2y ago
  >There was massive antitrust lawsuit about behavior like this, when browses where new. I'm still no sure why I should care.
  - curtisblaine 2y ago
    > I'm still no sure why I should care. Because the Web is supposed to be based on open standards and browsers are supposed to be neutral platforms that implement the standards. If you don't care about that, fair: nobody really cares that you don't care. What everybody cares about is what happens if some of the various antitrust agencies of the world start caring.
shadowgovt 2y ago
Some people remember when the government went after Microsoft for having secret APIs that only IE could use. ... but other people remember that in the time since, that entire Microsoft monopoly fiasco is held up as an example of bad prosecution, and we don't go after companies like that anymore.
- Suppafly 2y ago
  >... but other people remember that in the time since, that entire Microsoft monopoly fiasco is held up as an example of bad prosecution, and we don't go after companies like that anymore. This, but also, I still don't see anyone posting a compelling reason why I should care about this issue. The government and I don't necessarily have the same interests. Personally I don't care that google gives their own browser more access to my computer when I use google services, and if it improves my experience, I actually want that to be the case. The bulk of the complaints about this just seem to be tattletale behavior you see from children, not any thought out complaints based upon an actual harm.

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