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> No, this viewpoint is the only reason a shirt doesn't cost a month's wages. But that shirt would last you decades with good maintenance, because it was a qua

> No, this viewpoint is the only reason a shirt doesn't cost a month's wages. But that shirt would last you decades with good maintenance, because it was a quality product that was made to be repaired by other craftspeople throughout it's service life (or even just yourself!). Now we have can have hundreds of shirts for that same money but all of them suck, are made cheaply, fall apart after a couple of years if we're lucky, and are made by people who can't afford to buy them in a country we've never seen. How is this an improvement in literally any way, apart from it makes fast fashion companies shitloads of money? It's worse for the people making the clothes, wearing the clothes, and selling the clothes. It's worse for the environment because now we're making and destroying millions of articles of clothing, not to mention shipping it here and there and everywhere. And, for all that, we still have people who don't have enough fucking clothing.

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
Patagonia made a film for that: Shithropocene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TsndZxysts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TsndZxysts
throwawaysleep 2y ago
You mention many enormous improvements: > with good maintenance So modernity has eliminated my need to spend time looking after clothes? That is a big win. Not having to put time into repair and maintenance is a huge improvement. It has eliminated my need to be careful with my clothes? That is also a huge win. My grandmother used to spend hours at a time repairing socks. It is a huge win that nobody knows how to do that anymore, as time has value. > Now we have can have hundreds of shirts for that same money Even if we accept the decades of life for an old shirt, you only need tens of shirts to match its lifetime, so this is an order of magnitude reduction in cost. > are made by people who can't afford to buy them in a country we've never seen So? Plenty of employees cannot afford what their employer produces. And it is a step up from where they were before. We freed up more capable people in our own country to do more productive things than made clothing. You are right on the environmental part. > And, for all that, we still have people who don't have enough fucking clothing. Where would that be? Even the poorer African countries are chaffing at how much clothing is being dumped there. So the main loser is the environment. As a customer, I am otherwise a tremendous winner. And when AI takes over most mundane art, like animating instructional videos or making logos, I will also be a tremendous winner.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  > So the main loser is the environment. As a customer, I am otherwise a tremendous winner. And when AI takes over most mundane art, like animating instructional videos or making logos, I will also be a tremendous winner. So as long as whatever shit that's burning the world benefits you in your life time, irrespective of the state of it when it's time for you to hand it over to your children, you're good with it. Got it. I mean that makes sense, who needs a long-term stable biosphere when there's money to be made. Jesus Christ...

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago

Patagonia made a film for that: Shithropocene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TsndZxysts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TsndZxysts

throwawaysleep 2y ago

You mention many enormous improvements: > with good maintenance So modernity has eliminated my need to spend time looking after clothes? That is a big win. Not having to put time into repair and maintenance is a huge improvement. It has eliminated my need to be careful with my clothes? That is also a huge win. My grandmother used to spend hours at a time repairing socks. It is a huge win that nobody knows how to do that anymore, as time has value. > Now we have can have hundreds of shirts for that same money Even if we accept the decades of life for an old shirt, you only need tens of shirts to match its lifetime, so this is an order of magnitude reduction in cost. > are made by people who can't afford to buy them in a country we've never seen So? Plenty of employees cannot afford what their employer produces. And it is a step up from where they were before. We freed up more capable people in our own country to do more productive things than made clothing. You are right on the environmental part. > And, for all that, we still have people who don't have enough fucking clothing. Where would that be? Even the poorer African countries are chaffing at how much clothing is being dumped there. So the main loser is the environment. As a customer, I am otherwise a tremendous winner. And when AI takes over most mundane art, like animating instructional videos or making logos, I will also be a tremendous winner.

ToucanLoucan 2y ago
> So the main loser is the environment. As a customer, I am otherwise a tremendous winner. And when AI takes over most mundane art, like animating instructional videos or making logos, I will also be a tremendous winner. So as long as whatever shit that's burning the world benefits you in your life time, irrespective of the state of it when it's time for you to hand it over to your children, you're good with it. Got it. I mean that makes sense, who needs a long-term stable biosphere when there's money to be made. Jesus Christ...