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A wreck in the old minivan is financially less expensive, but isn’t the Tesla much safer for your child in the event of an accident? I can replace my car with

by _mlbt 2y ago

A wreck in the old minivan is financially less expensive, but isn’t the Tesla much safer for your child in the event of an accident? I can replace my car with insurance, but I can’t replace my kid. https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

ajross 2y ago
Incrementally. EV's with their very low c.g. and high mass are indeed really safe, but frankly so are minivans. If the choice was the Model Y or a 1970's Jeep or whatever, then the calculus might be different. I don't sweat that stuff, it's the same logic that keeps kids in booster seats long after their friends are riding shotgun.
throwway120385 2y ago
In a lot of cases adding your child as a primary driver to a very expensive car will significantly increase the cost of the insurance. My brother quadrupled my father's insurance price, for instance, because he was a teenager. Most people can't afford to just eat the increased monthly, so they have to balance the need to have their kid be functional in the real world with the need to make sure their kid is "safe." A lot of older vehicles are still fairly safe in common accidents, as "older" in many cases means driver and passenger airbags, seat belts, crumple zones, and so on. I think the most you can say here is that you can afford to have your kid drive the Tesla. Many people can't. I could make some points about how the NHTSA values occupant safety over the safety of people in other cars but that's a totally different discussion.
FireBeyond 2y ago
These stats are garbage though, and there have been so many analyses of the statistical and logical flaws in Tesla's reporting that there's no way that it's not at least knowingly misleading, at this point. That being said, Teslas ARE safe vehicles. They are regularly in the top tier for IIHS safety reports. I don't mean to decry that. But that particular page has issues.

by _mlbt 2y ago

ajross 2y ago

Incrementally. EV's with their very low c.g. and high mass are indeed really safe, but frankly so are minivans. If the choice was the Model Y or a 1970's Jeep or whatever, then the calculus might be different. I don't sweat that stuff, it's the same logic that keeps kids in booster seats long after their friends are riding shotgun.

throwway120385 2y ago

In a lot of cases adding your child as a primary driver to a very expensive car will significantly increase the cost of the insurance. My brother quadrupled my father's insurance price, for instance, because he was a teenager. Most people can't afford to just eat the increased monthly, so they have to balance the need to have their kid be functional in the real world with the need to make sure their kid is "safe." A lot of older vehicles are still fairly safe in common accidents, as "older" in many cases means driver and passenger airbags, seat belts, crumple zones, and so on. I think the most you can say here is that you can afford to have your kid drive the Tesla. Many people can't. I could make some points about how the NHTSA values occupant safety over the safety of people in other cars but that's a totally different discussion.

FireBeyond 2y ago

These stats are garbage though, and there have been so many analyses of the statistical and logical flaws in Tesla's reporting that there's no way that it's not at least knowingly misleading, at this point. That being said, Teslas ARE safe vehicles. They are regularly in the top tier for IIHS safety reports. I don't mean to decry that. But that particular page has issues.