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> the basic problem is the govt wants to demolish the old society and has orchestrated a de-facto invasion to secure power for its party, secure seats with the

by voisin 2y ago

> the basic problem is the govt wants to demolish the old society and has orchestrated a de-facto invasion to secure power for its party, secure seats with the black market money donations, with the convenient side effect of unleashing tolerated crime against its opponents I love how competent you think Trudeau is, but isn’t the simplest answer that he is totally unqualified for his role, as is his deputy PM, and they did not think through the consequences of letting so many people into the country with no planning to accommodate them? Even if you are right about this disproportionately affecting voters for their opponents (highly doubtful given how liberal the GTA and GVA are, both hotbeds of car theft), they turned off many liberal voters (myself included) by making no provisions for sufficient public medical infrastructure - a cornerstone of Canadian liberal identity - or housing. I think the sad thing is that rather than electing policy wonks like Ignatieff or Carney who can see consequences of actions, we elected a school teacher because of his last name and appearance, and now we get the consequences of that.

bryanlarsen 2y ago
You do realize that policing, housing and medical infrastructure are all provincial responsibilities? Blame Doug Ford for those, not Trudeau.
- voisin 2y ago
  They are provincial responsibilities, but the group allowing in 3-5x the number of people should have ensured the groups responsible for handling those people are doing what needs to be done to accommodate them, no? And if they aren’t, then they shouldn’t open the floodgates anyways, right?
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    It's not 3-5X, not even close. It's under 2X. Net migration was negative during COVID.
    - voisin 2y ago
      StatsCan shows we went from 1.3m non-permanent residents as of Q2 2021 to 2.8m as of Q2 2024. Maybe you’re right about the rate, but however you look at it, more than doubling the population of immigrants in 3 years demands some leadership in coordinating downstream impacts rather than just opening the floodgates and hoping for the best. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710012101 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=171001...
      - bryanlarsen 2y ago
        If it's Trudeau's fault why is BC doing relatively OK on car theft, housing costs, and doctor availability while Ontario is doing poorly on all 3?
        voisin 2y ago
        I live in BC and have been on the Island and the Mountains for the last five years. If you think housing costs or doctor availability are ok here, I strongly suggest coming to see. I also lived briefly in Nova Scotia and suggest the same thing applies there within the context of their economy (house prices are lower absolutely but massively higher relative to what they were a few years ago). There isn’t a city in this country - no city, town, or single intersection hamlet - where house prices are cheap relative to local incomes and some newcomer can get a family doc without waiting multiple years in a list or having some special connection outside the official routes. This is all due to Trudeau’s idiotic immigration policy, which is idiotic only due to the fact that they didn’t even try to coordinate a proper plan. I support immigration and believe our nation needs it for future economic viability due to declining local birth rates, but it has to be prepared for, both for those that live here and the poor suckers who come thinking it will be a land of opportunity only to find they will never have a doctor or a house or a reasonable standard of living thanks to Trudeau and his idiot lapdog. Also, I’ll state it again: I am a lifelong liberal who has only voted left (Liberal or even NDP), and I highly doubt after Trudeau I will ever vote Liberal again.
        2y ago
motohagiography 2y ago
the car theft at the scale it is at requires cooperation of the port authorities, shockingly those in Quebec who can traditionally be relied upon to undermine the rest of the country. if you have looked at the path of any strong men of history, whether it's politics, crime, or militarily, fundamentally they are deal makers between coalitions. the epidemic car theft is being managed to the benefit of the parties who tolerate it. it's a way for crime gangs to funnel blackmarket dollars back to local candidates that secure seats for national party organizations. naming politicians instead of discussing incentives and tactics and offices is low-information and reduces the quality of discourse imo. Ironically, while the mayor of brampton acts mystified, if you check his background at all, he used the same techniques and networks of foreign influenced diaspora organizing to win the provincial party leadership before being exited using equally dodgy tactics when the party realized they had been taken. India's PM remains the kingmaker in Canada and anyone who wants seats here has to go there and kiss the ring (as that mayor did), or dance for him, as ours famously did. India's hold has been consolidated by the minority government deal jamming the door open to increase India's influence. the ottawa establishment doesn't care because they are so profoundly racist that they think they can manage the chaos they're importing and somehow prevail on it with their spunky quirkiness and enlightened policy. your opinion of the PM doesn't matter. these dynamics have shifted, and the only way the car theft issue gets better is with some very difficult times ahead. A friend has had three attempts to steal his truck from his house this year, and now he sleeps with a rifle by his bed, in Canada. if you live in a big city, you have no clue what's going on.

by voisin 2y ago

bryanlarsen 2y ago

You do realize that policing, housing and medical infrastructure are all provincial responsibilities? Blame Doug Ford for those, not Trudeau.

voisin 2y ago
They are provincial responsibilities, but the group allowing in 3-5x the number of people should have ensured the groups responsible for handling those people are doing what needs to be done to accommodate them, no? And if they aren’t, then they shouldn’t open the floodgates anyways, right?
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  It's not 3-5X, not even close. It's under 2X. Net migration was negative during COVID.
  - voisin 2y ago
    StatsCan shows we went from 1.3m non-permanent residents as of Q2 2021 to 2.8m as of Q2 2024. Maybe you’re right about the rate, but however you look at it, more than doubling the population of immigrants in 3 years demands some leadership in coordinating downstream impacts rather than just opening the floodgates and hoping for the best. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710012101 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=171001...
    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      If it's Trudeau's fault why is BC doing relatively OK on car theft, housing costs, and doctor availability while Ontario is doing poorly on all 3?
      - voisin 2y ago
        I live in BC and have been on the Island and the Mountains for the last five years. If you think housing costs or doctor availability are ok here, I strongly suggest coming to see. I also lived briefly in Nova Scotia and suggest the same thing applies there within the context of their economy (house prices are lower absolutely but massively higher relative to what they were a few years ago). There isn’t a city in this country - no city, town, or single intersection hamlet - where house prices are cheap relative to local incomes and some newcomer can get a family doc without waiting multiple years in a list or having some special connection outside the official routes. This is all due to Trudeau’s idiotic immigration policy, which is idiotic only due to the fact that they didn’t even try to coordinate a proper plan. I support immigration and believe our nation needs it for future economic viability due to declining local birth rates, but it has to be prepared for, both for those that live here and the poor suckers who come thinking it will be a land of opportunity only to find they will never have a doctor or a house or a reasonable standard of living thanks to Trudeau and his idiot lapdog. Also, I’ll state it again: I am a lifelong liberal who has only voted left (Liberal or even NDP), and I highly doubt after Trudeau I will ever vote Liberal again.
        2y ago

motohagiography 2y ago

the car theft at the scale it is at requires cooperation of the port authorities, shockingly those in Quebec who can traditionally be relied upon to undermine the rest of the country. if you have looked at the path of any strong men of history, whether it's politics, crime, or militarily, fundamentally they are deal makers between coalitions. the epidemic car theft is being managed to the benefit of the parties who tolerate it. it's a way for crime gangs to funnel blackmarket dollars back to local candidates that secure seats for national party organizations. naming politicians instead of discussing incentives and tactics and offices is low-information and reduces the quality of discourse imo. Ironically, while the mayor of brampton acts mystified, if you check his background at all, he used the same techniques and networks of foreign influenced diaspora organizing to win the provincial party leadership before being exited using equally dodgy tactics when the party realized they had been taken. India's PM remains the kingmaker in Canada and anyone who wants seats here has to go there and kiss the ring (as that mayor did), or dance for him, as ours famously did. India's hold has been consolidated by the minority government deal jamming the door open to increase India's influence. the ottawa establishment doesn't care because they are so profoundly racist that they think they can manage the chaos they're importing and somehow prevail on it with their spunky quirkiness and enlightened policy. your opinion of the PM doesn't matter. these dynamics have shifted, and the only way the car theft issue gets better is with some very difficult times ahead. A friend has had three attempts to steal his truck from his house this year, and now he sleeps with a rifle by his bed, in Canada. if you live in a big city, you have no clue what's going on.