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Except no this won't happen. They may try to bring polluters to courts, but the court system will be backlogged so they could pollute for years without conseque

Except no this won't happen. They may try to bring polluters to courts, but the court system will be backlogged so they could pollute for years without consequences. And when they do get to court many many years from now, politically appointed judges will rule politically, not legally. That seems to be the standard now.

bryanlarsen 2y ago
The politically appointed judges in many states are appointed by Democrats. Also a case that is bogged down in the courts is in some ways worse because it is yet another source of uncertainty.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
  > The politically appointed judges in many states are appointed by Democrats. And in many states they are appointed by republicans. Companies already venue shop to cases to get the judge they want. Why won't this continue to happen? > a case that is bogged down in the courts is in some ways worse because it is yet another source of uncertainty. It's not for the companies because while its bogged down, its business-as-usual. The longer they can delay, the better for them.
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    It'll be the environmental orgs bringing the cases that will be doing the venue shopping, not the corps. > while its bogged down, its business-as-usual. Uncertainty is bad for business.
    - Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
      > Uncertainty is bad for business. Only some kinds, while other kinds are great for business. For example, the tabacco industry very deliberately created uncertainty about the links between smoking and lung cancer for years and years because it meant in the meantime they could continue business as usual.
      - bryanlarsen 2y ago
        The only thing they care about is stock price. What's it going to do for your stock price if you have a $100B lawsuit hanging over your head for many years?
        rqtwteye 2y ago
        Tobacco companies did really well for decades while a lawsuit was looming.
        verdverm 2y ago
        Tobacco companies are still doing really well, in other countries
        bryanlarsen 2y ago
        on the contrary, they were almost always the companies with the lowest stock price in relation to their dividend payout.

bryanlarsen 2y ago

The politically appointed judges in many states are appointed by Democrats. Also a case that is bogged down in the courts is in some ways worse because it is yet another source of uncertainty.

Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
> The politically appointed judges in many states are appointed by Democrats. And in many states they are appointed by republicans. Companies already venue shop to cases to get the judge they want. Why won't this continue to happen? > a case that is bogged down in the courts is in some ways worse because it is yet another source of uncertainty. It's not for the companies because while its bogged down, its business-as-usual. The longer they can delay, the better for them.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  It'll be the environmental orgs bringing the cases that will be doing the venue shopping, not the corps. > while its bogged down, its business-as-usual. Uncertainty is bad for business.
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
    > Uncertainty is bad for business. Only some kinds, while other kinds are great for business. For example, the tabacco industry very deliberately created uncertainty about the links between smoking and lung cancer for years and years because it meant in the meantime they could continue business as usual.
    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      The only thing they care about is stock price. What's it going to do for your stock price if you have a $100B lawsuit hanging over your head for many years?
      - rqtwteye 2y ago
        Tobacco companies did really well for decades while a lawsuit was looming.
        verdverm 2y ago
        Tobacco companies are still doing really well, in other countries
        bryanlarsen 2y ago
        on the contrary, they were almost always the companies with the lowest stock price in relation to their dividend payout.