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Sorry, but you've not understood the planning process. If the "mad" councillors were wrong to block planning permission, the applicant can request a review by

by Daviey 2y ago

Sorry, but you've not understood the planning process. If the "mad" councillors were wrong to block planning permission, the applicant can request a review by Planning Inspectorate, which is a national body. The appeal process is independent of the local council and will be reviewed by a planning inspector. Did Dyson do this? Do you have details of the planning application which was refused? I looked, but all I could find is one that was approved in 2014: https://www.insidermedia.com/news/south-west/116246-dyson-wins-permission-250m-expansion https://www.insidermedia.com/news/south-west/116246-dyson-wi... And this approved in Jan 2024: https://development.wiltshire.gov.uk/pr/s/planning-application/a0i3z00001Bte4BAAR/pl202309690 https://development.wiltshire.gov.uk/pr/s/planning-applicati...

rangestransform 2y ago
the bureaucratic burden imposed by the state can scare off businesses, and not just the result of the process
- Daviey 2y ago
  Just so I can understand what you are saying, they moved to Singapore because they were afraid of the planning permission process in UK? One of my neighbours had planning permission refused from the local council, and got it approved when appealed at national level. The process works, and isn't difficult. And yet, we still can't find the planning permission that was denied to Dyson. At best this sounds like a terrible pretext, at worse it sounds like a weak company.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> the "mad" councillors were wrong to block planning permission, the applicant can request a review by Planning Inspectorate, which is a national body. The appeal process is independent of the local council and will be reviewed by a planning inspector This is a solid “fuck off”, for me, an American, if someone is pitching an offshore operation.
- Daviey 2y ago
  In the US, you also need building permit or zoning approval for construction, if it is refused you can't easily go "above" them, unless you take legal action, which is prohibitively expensive. So I don't get why you think your system is somehow better?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > In the US, you also need building permit or zoning approval for construction, if it is refused you can't easily go "above" them, unless you take legal action, which is prohibitively expensive. So I don't get why you think your system is somehow better? It's not. But in the U.S., you get access to the common market. The U.K. forwent that advantage vis-a-vis Europe. I'm a proponent of putting production in Britain, but it requires someone in London who can promise ex ante that the local crap will be sidestepped. That, in turn, requires cultivating political connections. Also, having done manufacturing in the UK, Europe and America, the first is universally bureaucractic. You'll encounter similar bureaucracy in New York and California. But you can set up a plant in parts of the country in weeks. That might get you through permitting int he most permissable parts of the U.K.

by Daviey 2y ago

rangestransform 2y ago

the bureaucratic burden imposed by the state can scare off businesses, and not just the result of the process

Daviey 2y ago
Just so I can understand what you are saying, they moved to Singapore because they were afraid of the planning permission process in UK? One of my neighbours had planning permission refused from the local council, and got it approved when appealed at national level. The process works, and isn't difficult. And yet, we still can't find the planning permission that was denied to Dyson. At best this sounds like a terrible pretext, at worse it sounds like a weak company.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> the "mad" councillors were wrong to block planning permission, the applicant can request a review by Planning Inspectorate, which is a national body. The appeal process is independent of the local council and will be reviewed by a planning inspector This is a solid “fuck off”, for me, an American, if someone is pitching an offshore operation.

Daviey 2y ago
In the US, you also need building permit or zoning approval for construction, if it is refused you can't easily go "above" them, unless you take legal action, which is prohibitively expensive. So I don't get why you think your system is somehow better?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > In the US, you also need building permit or zoning approval for construction, if it is refused you can't easily go "above" them, unless you take legal action, which is prohibitively expensive. So I don't get why you think your system is somehow better? It's not. But in the U.S., you get access to the common market. The U.K. forwent that advantage vis-a-vis Europe. I'm a proponent of putting production in Britain, but it requires someone in London who can promise ex ante that the local crap will be sidestepped. That, in turn, requires cultivating political connections. Also, having done manufacturing in the UK, Europe and America, the first is universally bureaucractic. You'll encounter similar bureaucracy in New York and California. But you can set up a plant in parts of the country in weeks. That might get you through permitting int he most permissable parts of the U.K.