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Ah yes, the old 'if I don't build the bombs for them, someone else will'. I don't think this is taking the moral high ground, this is saying we don't care wheth

Ah yes, the old 'if I don't build the bombs for them, someone else will'. I don't think this is taking the moral high ground, this is saying we don't care whether it's moral, there's demand and we'll build it.

amarcheschi 2y ago
I'm not gonna feel bad if a corporation gets its data scraped (whenever it's legal to do so, and this is another kind of question I'm not knowledgeable enough to face) when they themselves try to scrape other companies' data
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  You seem to have a massive category error here. To my understanding, this is not only going to circumvent the scraping protection of companies that scrape other people's data.
jancurn 2y ago
There are many legitimate and legal use cases where one might want to circumvent blocking of bots. We believe that everyone has the moral right to access and fairly use non-personal publicly available data on the web the way they want, not just the way the publishers want them to. This is the core founding principle of the open web, which allowed the web to become what it is today. BTW we continuously update this exhaustive post covering all legal aspects of web scraping: https://blog.apify.com/is-web-scraping-legal/ https://blog.apify.com/is-web-scraping-legal/
- beeboobaa3 2y ago
  Thoughts on this law? https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A31996L0009 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
  - mnmkng 2y ago
    It’s an “old” law that did not consider many intricacies of internet and the platforms that exist on it and it’s mostly made obsolete by EU case law, which has shrunk the definition of a protected database under this law so much that it’s practically inapplicable to web scraping. (Not my opinion. I visited a major global law firm’s seminar on this topic a month ago and this is what they said.)
BiteCode_dev 2y ago
Google and Amazon where built on scrapped data, who are you kidding?
- nurettin 2y ago
  I make sure to enroll in projects which scrape Google/Amazon en-masse just for the satisfaction.
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  There's a bidirectional benefit to Google at least. That's why SEO exists. People want to appear in search results.

amarcheschi 2y ago

I'm not gonna feel bad if a corporation gets its data scraped (whenever it's legal to do so, and this is another kind of question I'm not knowledgeable enough to face) when they themselves try to scrape other companies' data

robertlagrant 2y ago
You seem to have a massive category error here. To my understanding, this is not only going to circumvent the scraping protection of companies that scrape other people's data.

jancurn 2y ago

There are many legitimate and legal use cases where one might want to circumvent blocking of bots. We believe that everyone has the moral right to access and fairly use non-personal publicly available data on the web the way they want, not just the way the publishers want them to. This is the core founding principle of the open web, which allowed the web to become what it is today. BTW we continuously update this exhaustive post covering all legal aspects of web scraping: https://blog.apify.com/is-web-scraping-legal/ https://blog.apify.com/is-web-scraping-legal/

beeboobaa3 2y ago
Thoughts on this law? https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A31996L0009 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
- mnmkng 2y ago
  It’s an “old” law that did not consider many intricacies of internet and the platforms that exist on it and it’s mostly made obsolete by EU case law, which has shrunk the definition of a protected database under this law so much that it’s practically inapplicable to web scraping. (Not my opinion. I visited a major global law firm’s seminar on this topic a month ago and this is what they said.)

BiteCode_dev 2y ago

Google and Amazon where built on scrapped data, who are you kidding?

nurettin 2y ago
I make sure to enroll in projects which scrape Google/Amazon en-masse just for the satisfaction.
robertlagrant 2y ago
There's a bidirectional benefit to Google at least. That's why SEO exists. People want to appear in search results.