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arguably this govt tolerates the crime because it's against people who normally vote against them, mainly small business owners and upper middle class people wh

arguably this govt tolerates the crime because it's against people who normally vote against them, mainly small business owners and upper middle class people who own trucks and luxury cars, and the profits of the crime benefit the diaspora networks who donate to candidates who secure parliamentary seats for the party. I live near brampton (in the article) where much of the car theft problem originates, and we are physically overrun by large groups of newcomers standing around on the roads at all hours because there are so many people and nowhere for them to go. it also creates a huge grey/black market underclass as the economy fails to absorb people in sufficient numbers. the basic problem is the govt wants to demolish the old society and has orchestrated a de-facto invasion to secure power for its party, secure seats with the black market money donations, with the convenient side effect of unleashing tolerated crime against its opponents. these are ancient tactics, just not ones we're used to in the west. tech like trackers, cameras, patrol drones, and even domestic sigint are temporary bargaining solutions to what is a policy disaster that could end with the stroke of a pen.

voisin 2y ago
> the basic problem is the govt wants to demolish the old society and has orchestrated a de-facto invasion to secure power for its party, secure seats with the black market money donations, with the convenient side effect of unleashing tolerated crime against its opponents I love how competent you think Trudeau is, but isn’t the simplest answer that he is totally unqualified for his role, as is his deputy PM, and they did not think through the consequences of letting so many people into the country with no planning to accommodate them? Even if you are right about this disproportionately affecting voters for their opponents (highly doubtful given how liberal the GTA and GVA are, both hotbeds of car theft), they turned off many liberal voters (myself included) by making no provisions for sufficient public medical infrastructure - a cornerstone of Canadian liberal identity - or housing. I think the sad thing is that rather than electing policy wonks like Ignatieff or Carney who can see consequences of actions, we elected a school teacher because of his last name and appearance, and now we get the consequences of that.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  You do realize that policing, housing and medical infrastructure are all provincial responsibilities? Blame Doug Ford for those, not Trudeau.
  - voisin 2y ago
    They are provincial responsibilities, but the group allowing in 3-5x the number of people should have ensured the groups responsible for handling those people are doing what needs to be done to accommodate them, no? And if they aren’t, then they shouldn’t open the floodgates anyways, right?
    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      It's not 3-5X, not even close. It's under 2X. Net migration was negative during COVID.
      - voisin 2y ago
        StatsCan shows we went from 1.3m non-permanent residents as of Q2 2021 to 2.8m as of Q2 2024. Maybe you’re right about the rate, but however you look at it, more than doubling the population of immigrants in 3 years demands some leadership in coordinating downstream impacts rather than just opening the floodgates and hoping for the best. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710012101 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=171001...
        bryanlarsen 2y ago
        If it's Trudeau's fault why is BC doing relatively OK on car theft, housing costs, and doctor availability while Ontario is doing poorly on all 3?
        voisin 2y ago
        I live in BC and have been on the Island and the Mountains for the last five years. If you think housing costs or doctor availability are ok here, I strongly suggest coming to see. I also lived briefly in Nova Scotia and suggest the same thing applies there within the context of their economy (house prices are lower absolutely but massively higher relative to what they were a few years ago). There isn’t a city in this country - no city, town, or single intersection hamlet - where house prices are cheap relative to local incomes and some newcomer can get a family doc without waiting multiple years in a list or having some special connection outside the official routes. This is all due to Trudeau’s idiotic immigration policy, which is idiotic only due to the fact that they didn’t even try to coordinate a proper plan. I support immigration and believe our nation needs it for future economic viability due to declining local birth rates, but it has to be prepared for, both for those that live here and the poor suckers who come thinking it will be a land of opportunity only to find they will never have a doctor or a house or a reasonable standard of living thanks to Trudeau and his idiot lapdog. Also, I’ll state it again: I am a lifelong liberal who has only voted left (Liberal or even NDP), and I highly doubt after Trudeau I will ever vote Liberal again.

voisin 2y ago

> the basic problem is the govt wants to demolish the old society and has orchestrated a de-facto invasion to secure power for its party, secure seats with the black market money donations, with the convenient side effect of unleashing tolerated crime against its opponents I love how competent you think Trudeau is, but isn’t the simplest answer that he is totally unqualified for his role, as is his deputy PM, and they did not think through the consequences of letting so many people into the country with no planning to accommodate them? Even if you are right about this disproportionately affecting voters for their opponents (highly doubtful given how liberal the GTA and GVA are, both hotbeds of car theft), they turned off many liberal voters (myself included) by making no provisions for sufficient public medical infrastructure - a cornerstone of Canadian liberal identity - or housing. I think the sad thing is that rather than electing policy wonks like Ignatieff or Carney who can see consequences of actions, we elected a school teacher because of his last name and appearance, and now we get the consequences of that.

bryanlarsen 2y ago
You do realize that policing, housing and medical infrastructure are all provincial responsibilities? Blame Doug Ford for those, not Trudeau.
- voisin 2y ago
  They are provincial responsibilities, but the group allowing in 3-5x the number of people should have ensured the groups responsible for handling those people are doing what needs to be done to accommodate them, no? And if they aren’t, then they shouldn’t open the floodgates anyways, right?
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    It's not 3-5X, not even close. It's under 2X. Net migration was negative during COVID.
    - voisin 2y ago
      StatsCan shows we went from 1.3m non-permanent residents as of Q2 2021 to 2.8m as of Q2 2024. Maybe you’re right about the rate, but however you look at it, more than doubling the population of immigrants in 3 years demands some leadership in coordinating downstream impacts rather than just opening the floodgates and hoping for the best. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710012101 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=171001...
      - bryanlarsen 2y ago
        If it's Trudeau's fault why is BC doing relatively OK on car theft, housing costs, and doctor availability while Ontario is doing poorly on all 3?
        voisin 2y ago
        I live in BC and have been on the Island and the Mountains for the last five years. If you think housing costs or doctor availability are ok here, I strongly suggest coming to see. I also lived briefly in Nova Scotia and suggest the same thing applies there within the context of their economy (house prices are lower absolutely but massively higher relative to what they were a few years ago). There isn’t a city in this country - no city, town, or single intersection hamlet - where house prices are cheap relative to local incomes and some newcomer can get a family doc without waiting multiple years in a list or having some special connection outside the official routes. This is all due to Trudeau’s idiotic immigration policy, which is idiotic only due to the fact that they didn’t even try to coordinate a proper plan. I support immigration and believe our nation needs it for future economic viability due to declining local birth rates, but it has to be prepared for, both for those that live here and the poor suckers who come thinking it will be a land of opportunity only to find they will never have a doctor or a house or a reasonable standard of living thanks to Trudeau and his idiot lapdog. Also, I’ll state it again: I am a lifelong liberal who has only voted left (Liberal or even NDP), and I highly doubt after Trudeau I will ever vote Liberal again.