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Monopoly is the keyword here. Ticketmaster and Boeing and all the other nefarious companies here use PATENTS to prevent competitors from eating their lunch. Pat

Monopoly is the keyword here. Ticketmaster and Boeing and all the other nefarious companies here use PATENTS to prevent competitors from eating their lunch. Patents need to be done away with to allow free competition, don't believe the propaganda about patents helping creators

Steven420 2y ago
If you don't have a patent on an invention then how do you protect it from people who will just steal what you have spent time/money creating?
- TrinaryWorksToo 2y ago
  Patents no longer go to individual people. They go to corporations. Perhaps we should ban corporations from getting patents on behalf of people.
  - OJFord 2y ago
    That would be.. interesting from a compensation & retention (& poaching!) perspective!
  - fallingknife 2y ago
    So the work of 1000 people at a company may have gone into developing the tech that is to be patented, but we must restrict the patent to being owned by one single individual?
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- rundev 2y ago
  1. If you are first to market and still can't make money off your amazing invention, that might be a skill issue. 2. Patents wouldn't be as forceful if they didn't last that long. A decade or more is basically forever in a fast-moving field like tech.
  - itsoktocry 2y ago
    >If you are first to market and still can't make money off your amazing invention, that might be a skill issue. Sounds like something a VC would say. Have you considered that inventing things and selling them are two different skill sets? The patent system needs reform, not elimination.
    - financltravsty 2y ago
      Why would you artificially encumber a significant invention from benefitting the world just because you don't have the wherewithal to sell it? Seems awfully self-centered.
      - brewdad 2y ago
        I mean the patent is public information. If you want to have a go at selling it, buy it or license it from me and have at it. Otherwise, invent your own idea or wait for mine to expire.
        financltravsty 2y ago
        Or I could lobby for patent reform so one person doesn't hold up the progress of everyone else via selfishness.
      - mkatx 2y ago
        The patent system certainly needs reform, but I think more along the lines of what gets accepted as a patent. Discovering what I would describe as a 'natural law' should not be patentable (but I think happens everyday), and those ideas should not be kept from human progress, imho. There's a line between research paper and patent, that I believe is blurred for profit. But a true invention, a novel use of those laws, should be patentable. Are you saying that if you discover a novel use of natural laws, a product that could be capitalized, your own unique idea, that you should not be able to capitalize on it? Maybe this would work in a trek economy, but not with capitalism. If your worried about innovation, how innovative could we be if discoveries/inventions were squandered because there are no protections if you happen to even mention your idea to someone?
- treyd 2y ago
  This is what patents used to do, but the economic and technological circumstances under which they did have changed dramatically over the last couple hundred years. All they really do now is entrench the power of the massive corporations with the capital to buy them up and sue anyone that they think encroach. It's not promoting innovation anymore, it's stifling it.
  - fallingknife 2y ago
    Patents can be filed for around $2000
mattmaroon 2y ago
I love it when a system has been working for hundreds of years through by far the most prosperous time in human history but people on the internet are sure it is wrong. No proof, no evidence, not even logic, just certainty. Also, I don’t think any of the issues with Ticketmaster have anything to do with patents.
- sharpshadow 2y ago
  Has been working but check out the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict and the sanctions regarding patents[1]. Russia is now allowing their companies to use patents freely. 1. https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/2022/04/russian-decree-undermines-value-of-certain-patents-uspto-cuts-all-ties-with-russian-patent-office https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/2022/04/russian-decree-unde...
- giovannibonetti 2y ago
  Maybe we could just reduce the patent's duration to compensate for the acceleration of information diffusion caused by the internet in the last few decades. Does that seem reasonable to you?
  - mattmaroon 2y ago
    What problem are we trying to solve? Why do we think there is a problem? If the idea behind the system was to give people a financial incentive to innovate, and since the system has been put in place humans have been exponentially more innovative than they were before, why do we think it needs fixing? Nothing seems reasonable to me on the topic unless it comes with evidence as to how it would improve a system that would appear by any objective measure to be doing incredibly well. And what does any of it have to do with ticket master? They’re awful in a lot of ways, but I’m not aware of patent trolling to be one of them. If they even have and enforce patents, I’ve not heard of them, and I work in live events so I’m fairly well-informed on that company. Everyone in the industry hates them, it's unlikely they’re doing anything awful that isn’t routinely mentioned.
    - Sesse__ 2y ago
some_random 2y ago
What patents does Ticketmaster have that stop competitors from selling tickets?

Steven420 2y ago

If you don't have a patent on an invention then how do you protect it from people who will just steal what you have spent time/money creating?

TrinaryWorksToo 2y ago
Patents no longer go to individual people. They go to corporations. Perhaps we should ban corporations from getting patents on behalf of people.
- OJFord 2y ago
  That would be.. interesting from a compensation & retention (& poaching!) perspective!
- fallingknife 2y ago
  So the work of 1000 people at a company may have gone into developing the tech that is to be patented, but we must restrict the patent to being owned by one single individual?
  - deleted 2y ago
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rundev 2y ago
1. If you are first to market and still can't make money off your amazing invention, that might be a skill issue. 2. Patents wouldn't be as forceful if they didn't last that long. A decade or more is basically forever in a fast-moving field like tech.
- itsoktocry 2y ago
  >If you are first to market and still can't make money off your amazing invention, that might be a skill issue. Sounds like something a VC would say. Have you considered that inventing things and selling them are two different skill sets? The patent system needs reform, not elimination.
  - financltravsty 2y ago
    Why would you artificially encumber a significant invention from benefitting the world just because you don't have the wherewithal to sell it? Seems awfully self-centered.
    - brewdad 2y ago
      I mean the patent is public information. If you want to have a go at selling it, buy it or license it from me and have at it. Otherwise, invent your own idea or wait for mine to expire.
      - financltravsty 2y ago
        Or I could lobby for patent reform so one person doesn't hold up the progress of everyone else via selfishness.
    - mkatx 2y ago
      The patent system certainly needs reform, but I think more along the lines of what gets accepted as a patent. Discovering what I would describe as a 'natural law' should not be patentable (but I think happens everyday), and those ideas should not be kept from human progress, imho. There's a line between research paper and patent, that I believe is blurred for profit. But a true invention, a novel use of those laws, should be patentable. Are you saying that if you discover a novel use of natural laws, a product that could be capitalized, your own unique idea, that you should not be able to capitalize on it? Maybe this would work in a trek economy, but not with capitalism. If your worried about innovation, how innovative could we be if discoveries/inventions were squandered because there are no protections if you happen to even mention your idea to someone?
treyd 2y ago
This is what patents used to do, but the economic and technological circumstances under which they did have changed dramatically over the last couple hundred years. All they really do now is entrench the power of the massive corporations with the capital to buy them up and sue anyone that they think encroach. It's not promoting innovation anymore, it's stifling it.
- fallingknife 2y ago
  Patents can be filed for around $2000

mattmaroon 2y ago

I love it when a system has been working for hundreds of years through by far the most prosperous time in human history but people on the internet are sure it is wrong. No proof, no evidence, not even logic, just certainty. Also, I don’t think any of the issues with Ticketmaster have anything to do with patents.

sharpshadow 2y ago
Has been working but check out the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict and the sanctions regarding patents[1]. Russia is now allowing their companies to use patents freely. 1. https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/2022/04/russian-decree-undermines-value-of-certain-patents-uspto-cuts-all-ties-with-russian-patent-office https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/2022/04/russian-decree-unde...
giovannibonetti 2y ago
Maybe we could just reduce the patent's duration to compensate for the acceleration of information diffusion caused by the internet in the last few decades. Does that seem reasonable to you?
- mattmaroon 2y ago
  What problem are we trying to solve? Why do we think there is a problem? If the idea behind the system was to give people a financial incentive to innovate, and since the system has been put in place humans have been exponentially more innovative than they were before, why do we think it needs fixing? Nothing seems reasonable to me on the topic unless it comes with evidence as to how it would improve a system that would appear by any objective measure to be doing incredibly well. And what does any of it have to do with ticket master? They’re awful in a lot of ways, but I’m not aware of patent trolling to be one of them. If they even have and enforce patents, I’ve not heard of them, and I work in live events so I’m fairly well-informed on that company. Everyone in the industry hates them, it's unlikely they’re doing anything awful that isn’t routinely mentioned.
  - Sesse__ 2y ago

some_random 2y ago

What patents does Ticketmaster have that stop competitors from selling tickets?