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Where to begin? * the almost total lack of development of Interface Builder * ouch Java * iPhone application approval yumminess * Hi Konfabulator! * Hi Watson!

by cosmo7 18y ago

anthonyrubin 18y ago
And you believe the answer is MS? http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2001/jw-0124-iw-mssuncourt.html http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2001/jw-0124-iw-mss... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stac_Electronics#Microsoft_lawsuit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stac_Electronics#Microsoft_laws... There are countless other examples including the original versions of JScript and the burden that is IE6. This is not meant to be a defense of Apple. I was simply interested in why you believed that MS is somehow less "toxic" than Apple.
- cosmo7 18y ago
  I'm sorry to disagree with you, but despite all of the emotional baggage that surrounds platform choice, I do think Microsoft is kinder to developers. I remember the Stac case, but it was 18-odd years ago. It's more relevant to me now that, for instance, it is effectively illegal to write a book concerning developing for the iPhone. After all, you'd never see Steve Jobs running up and down a stage shouting "developers developers developers" like a monkey on crystal meth, would you.
  - catch23 18y ago
    Microsoft is friendlier to developers, but the development environment in windows is not so friendly. The one major reason that I own a MacBook is due to the BSD development environment, I'd have to run vmware or colinux on a windows machine to get the equivalent feel. And no, cygwin just doesn't cut it.
    - cosmo7 18y ago
      Unix is better than Windows because doing Unix development is easier on Unix than on Windows? I like OS X, but this is not a very well-constructed argument.
      - catch23 18y ago
        Well I like to use certain command line tools for finding stuff or moving files around, which tend to happen more often as a developer. I've gotten pretty good at scripting with the new powershell in windows, but still somewhat annoying compared to what is available in most unix environments.

Where to begin? * the almost total lack of development of Interface Builder * ouch Java * iPhone application approval yumminess * Hi Konfabulator! * Hi Watson!

by cosmo7 18y ago

Where to begin? * the almost total lack of development of Interface Builder * ouch Java * iPhone application approval yumminess * Hi Konfabulator! * Hi Watson!

anthonyrubin 18y ago

And you believe the answer is MS? http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2001/jw-0124-iw-mssuncourt.html http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2001/jw-0124-iw-mss... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stac_Electronics#Microsoft_lawsuit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stac_Electronics#Microsoft_laws... There are countless other examples including the original versions of JScript and the burden that is IE6. This is not meant to be a defense of Apple. I was simply interested in why you believed that MS is somehow less "toxic" than Apple.

cosmo7 18y ago
I'm sorry to disagree with you, but despite all of the emotional baggage that surrounds platform choice, I do think Microsoft is kinder to developers. I remember the Stac case, but it was 18-odd years ago. It's more relevant to me now that, for instance, it is effectively illegal to write a book concerning developing for the iPhone. After all, you'd never see Steve Jobs running up and down a stage shouting "developers developers developers" like a monkey on crystal meth, would you.
- catch23 18y ago
  Microsoft is friendlier to developers, but the development environment in windows is not so friendly. The one major reason that I own a MacBook is due to the BSD development environment, I'd have to run vmware or colinux on a windows machine to get the equivalent feel. And no, cygwin just doesn't cut it.
  - cosmo7 18y ago
    Unix is better than Windows because doing Unix development is easier on Unix than on Windows? I like OS X, but this is not a very well-constructed argument.
    - catch23 18y ago
      Well I like to use certain command line tools for finding stuff or moving files around, which tend to happen more often as a developer. I've gotten pretty good at scripting with the new powershell in windows, but still somewhat annoying compared to what is available in most unix environments.