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As if printing didn't suck enough already. There's plenty of innovation left. What about a built-in cutting, binding or folding mechanism? What about a built-

As if printing didn't suck enough already. There's plenty of innovation left. What about a built-in cutting, binding or folding mechanism? What about a built-in QR like binary converter for paper backing up of crucial files and some way to feed them back in through ADF scanning? What about a built-in filter to printer feature of email so things like orders get auto printed? Something that has heat transfer built-in for optional inkless printing? A flatbed that can do UV and IR scanning? Some kind of release mechanism that makes fixing a paper jam trivial? How about an API with MQTT so you can integrate it in a automated production pipeline much easier. What about moving beyond the box? Could there be a way to stack the feed vertically and print, also vertically, to conserve space? Printing as an industry could be blown open to innovation but I guess we can't have nice things

vel0city 2y ago
> What about a built-in cutting, binding or folding mechanism? You can get that on some really high end office copiers. It's mechanically complex though and takes up space. > What about a built-in QR like binary converter for paper backing up of crucial files and some way to feed them back in through ADF scanning? You can get massively more information density and reliability from optical media. > What about a built-in filter to printer feature of email so things like orders get auto printed? Already a feature of some printers > A flatbed that can do UV and IR scanning I can't imagine a consumer use for this, care to expand how this would be useful? > How about an API with MQTT so you can integrate it in a automated production pipeline much easier. There are already highly standardized printing APIs out there for network printers. If all you're really wanting is to put out text you can often just telnet to the raw port and start sending data.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  Yes, you can scuttle and quash whatever. Almost every massively successful tech product can be given the same treatment from the IBM PC to Microsoft Windows to the iPhone. And there were plenty of people who clicked their heels saying "there's nothing new here!" when the iPod, YouTube or Instagram came out. I used to be among them. You can also "but wait, there's more" those products and go back and forth and say how different and unique they are. Nest, Ring, Roku, Kindle, Uber, Airbnb... It's a game. You either take a risk and make a splash with a consumer-friendly, consumer-form factor, consumer-priced version of something or you don't. There's no modern printer people love and nothing in one they can get at say, Best Buy, they couldn't get 20 years ago. They're all frustrating plastic things sitting in the corner. Making innovative, actually great printers people are excited about is a product opportunity. Brother is close, but they're the Zune. Nobody's iPhoned it.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    Are you arguing that if Brother would just add MQTT support (whatever that would look like) or IR scanning (once again, what's the consumer use for this?) they'd have the next iPhone on their hands? HP has had the "print to email" function you ask for since at least the late 00's (that's when I first saw it). They discontinued it on their newer models because nobody cared. Brother and Epson have this functionality as well. I imagine most consumer printer platforms support such a feature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_ePrint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_ePrint https://help.brother-usa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/158082/~/attach%2C-email%2C-and-print---brother-apps https://help.brother-usa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/158082/... https://www.epsonconnect.com/guide/en/html/uses_1.htm https://www.epsonconnect.com/guide/en/html/uses_1.htm And you can add binding support to your printer if you want to. Here's a link to a binder add-on. Think its this big because they just felt like making it big, or because its mechanically a somewhat complex process to fold and bind stacks of paper? https://www.xerox.com/en-us/digital-printing/feeders-print-finishing/xerox-tape-binder https://www.xerox.com/en-us/digital-printing/feeders-print-f... If you do reply to this comment, I'd genuinely like to know what you'd do with a flatbed or ADF scanner that can scan IR and UV. About the only feature I'd imagine a decent chunk of consumers would like that doesn't already exist would be for it to also automatically trim/cut things for you, à la Cricut. But while a Cricut looks a lot like a printer, it functions radically differently. It is made to move the cutting board back and forth and requires the material to be cut to be affixed to the board. There's a lot more setup involved than just pulling a page from the tray and pushing it through with rollers. Adding a cutting edge to a normal printer path would probably end up with lots of paper jams and debris stuck in the printer. A Cricut is way more like a 3D printer than a laser/inkjet printer.
    - kristopolous 2y ago
      I'm arguing it's a game and one I don't play anymore. Consumers aren't infinitely rational homo-economicus logicians and discussing products as if they are is irrelevant. People might buy into the UV and IR just because they could. It doesn't have to be practical and they don't have to ever use it. The modern iPhone: No removable battery, too big for pockets, cash cow of a multi trillion dollar company, lacks a headphone port, needs a proprietary charger... Doesn't matter. Products have features. Features aren't a product. Successful products feel like their own thing that also services the need they're intended for. Xerox used to occupy that space for printing. It's mostly vacant now.

vel0city 2y ago

> What about a built-in cutting, binding or folding mechanism? You can get that on some really high end office copiers. It's mechanically complex though and takes up space. > What about a built-in QR like binary converter for paper backing up of crucial files and some way to feed them back in through ADF scanning? You can get massively more information density and reliability from optical media. > What about a built-in filter to printer feature of email so things like orders get auto printed? Already a feature of some printers > A flatbed that can do UV and IR scanning I can't imagine a consumer use for this, care to expand how this would be useful? > How about an API with MQTT so you can integrate it in a automated production pipeline much easier. There are already highly standardized printing APIs out there for network printers. If all you're really wanting is to put out text you can often just telnet to the raw port and start sending data.

kristopolous 2y ago
Yes, you can scuttle and quash whatever. Almost every massively successful tech product can be given the same treatment from the IBM PC to Microsoft Windows to the iPhone. And there were plenty of people who clicked their heels saying "there's nothing new here!" when the iPod, YouTube or Instagram came out. I used to be among them. You can also "but wait, there's more" those products and go back and forth and say how different and unique they are. Nest, Ring, Roku, Kindle, Uber, Airbnb... It's a game. You either take a risk and make a splash with a consumer-friendly, consumer-form factor, consumer-priced version of something or you don't. There's no modern printer people love and nothing in one they can get at say, Best Buy, they couldn't get 20 years ago. They're all frustrating plastic things sitting in the corner. Making innovative, actually great printers people are excited about is a product opportunity. Brother is close, but they're the Zune. Nobody's iPhoned it.
- vel0city 2y ago
  Are you arguing that if Brother would just add MQTT support (whatever that would look like) or IR scanning (once again, what's the consumer use for this?) they'd have the next iPhone on their hands? HP has had the "print to email" function you ask for since at least the late 00's (that's when I first saw it). They discontinued it on their newer models because nobody cared. Brother and Epson have this functionality as well. I imagine most consumer printer platforms support such a feature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_ePrint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_ePrint https://help.brother-usa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/158082/~/attach%2C-email%2C-and-print---brother-apps https://help.brother-usa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/158082/... https://www.epsonconnect.com/guide/en/html/uses_1.htm https://www.epsonconnect.com/guide/en/html/uses_1.htm And you can add binding support to your printer if you want to. Here's a link to a binder add-on. Think its this big because they just felt like making it big, or because its mechanically a somewhat complex process to fold and bind stacks of paper? https://www.xerox.com/en-us/digital-printing/feeders-print-finishing/xerox-tape-binder https://www.xerox.com/en-us/digital-printing/feeders-print-f... If you do reply to this comment, I'd genuinely like to know what you'd do with a flatbed or ADF scanner that can scan IR and UV. About the only feature I'd imagine a decent chunk of consumers would like that doesn't already exist would be for it to also automatically trim/cut things for you, à la Cricut. But while a Cricut looks a lot like a printer, it functions radically differently. It is made to move the cutting board back and forth and requires the material to be cut to be affixed to the board. There's a lot more setup involved than just pulling a page from the tray and pushing it through with rollers. Adding a cutting edge to a normal printer path would probably end up with lots of paper jams and debris stuck in the printer. A Cricut is way more like a 3D printer than a laser/inkjet printer.
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    I'm arguing it's a game and one I don't play anymore. Consumers aren't infinitely rational homo-economicus logicians and discussing products as if they are is irrelevant. People might buy into the UV and IR just because they could. It doesn't have to be practical and they don't have to ever use it. The modern iPhone: No removable battery, too big for pockets, cash cow of a multi trillion dollar company, lacks a headphone port, needs a proprietary charger... Doesn't matter. Products have features. Features aren't a product. Successful products feel like their own thing that also services the need they're intended for. Xerox used to occupy that space for printing. It's mostly vacant now.