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I assumed that GP was an average person who doesn't have a storage array sitting at home. I'm not really sure why the IA is relevant here

by squigz 2y ago

CamperBob2 2y ago
1 PB of disk space would cost about $10K at this point in time. Not exactly unattainable. Looks like it would fit in a volume of space about the size of a standard refrigerator. I'd be OK with both requirements.
- squigz 2y ago
  It doesn't seem reasonable to me to suggest that an average person would spend $10,000+ (and the time to maintain it) on a pirate archive, hence my comment. On the other hand, contributing a TB or two to a torrent swarm is much more feasible for most people. In any case, if you're okay with that, you should do it. Please report back in 6 months with how it's going.
  - CamperBob2 2y ago
    In any case, if you're okay with that, you should do it. Please report back in 6 months with how it's going. Point being, if I tried to torrent the whole thing, it probably would take 6 months, and would likely get me booted from my ISP and/or sued. I would much rather buy a set of hard drives with the contents already loaded. Or tapes, as userbinator suggests. (And as for the hypothetical "average person" you keep citing, I don't see anyone meeting that description around here.)
    - squigz 2y ago
      > I would much rather buy a set of hard drives with the contents already loaded. Or tapes, as userbinator suggests. And my point is that this is an absurd suggestion. I shouldn't have to explain why a shadow library shouldn't be selling (tens of) thousands of dollars worth of hard drives containing pirated content. Beyond that, and what I was getting at earlier, is that maintaining a 1PB storage array at home isn't exactly easy, or cheap.
      - CamperBob2 2y ago
        I shouldn't have to explain why a shadow library shouldn't be selling (tens of) thousands of dollars worth of hard drives containing pirated content. Depends on what their goal is. I shouldn't have to explain why a "library" that's operating illegally in virtually every jurisdiction, with few or no complete mirrors, is vulnerable to being shut down by a small number of governmental or judicial entities. If I were running the archive, not being a single point of interdiction would be high on my list of priorities. Especially when any number of people are indeed willing and able to keep 1 PB+ of content in circulation, samizdat-style. I would work to find these people, put them in touch with each other, and help them. Beyond that, and what I was getting at earlier, is that maintaining a 1PB storage array at home isn't exactly easy, or cheap. Not everything that's worth doing is easy or cheap, or otherwise suited to "average people." Again, I don't know where you're coming from here. What's your interest in the subject, exactly?
  - ranger_danger 2y ago
    > It doesn't seem reasonable to me to suggest that an average person would spend $10,000+ You're right, and I was not trying to suggest that. I was merely disagreeing with "You are never going to" because I know there are people who are reading this who can and maybe will.
- userbinator 2y ago
  1PB is well beyond the point at which a tape drive and a bunch of tapes will be cheaper than hard drives, and likely more reliable.
  - account42 2y ago
    For archival, yes. Not if you want to access the thing with any frequency.

I assumed that GP was an average person who doesn't have a storage array sitting at home. I'm not really sure why the IA is relevant here

by squigz 2y ago

I assumed that GP was an average person who doesn't have a storage array sitting at home. I'm not really sure why the IA is relevant here

CamperBob2 2y ago

1 PB of disk space would cost about $10K at this point in time. Not exactly unattainable. Looks like it would fit in a volume of space about the size of a standard refrigerator. I'd be OK with both requirements.

squigz 2y ago
It doesn't seem reasonable to me to suggest that an average person would spend $10,000+ (and the time to maintain it) on a pirate archive, hence my comment. On the other hand, contributing a TB or two to a torrent swarm is much more feasible for most people. In any case, if you're okay with that, you should do it. Please report back in 6 months with how it's going.
- CamperBob2 2y ago
  In any case, if you're okay with that, you should do it. Please report back in 6 months with how it's going. Point being, if I tried to torrent the whole thing, it probably would take 6 months, and would likely get me booted from my ISP and/or sued. I would much rather buy a set of hard drives with the contents already loaded. Or tapes, as userbinator suggests. (And as for the hypothetical "average person" you keep citing, I don't see anyone meeting that description around here.)
  - squigz 2y ago
    > I would much rather buy a set of hard drives with the contents already loaded. Or tapes, as userbinator suggests. And my point is that this is an absurd suggestion. I shouldn't have to explain why a shadow library shouldn't be selling (tens of) thousands of dollars worth of hard drives containing pirated content. Beyond that, and what I was getting at earlier, is that maintaining a 1PB storage array at home isn't exactly easy, or cheap.
    - CamperBob2 2y ago
      I shouldn't have to explain why a shadow library shouldn't be selling (tens of) thousands of dollars worth of hard drives containing pirated content. Depends on what their goal is. I shouldn't have to explain why a "library" that's operating illegally in virtually every jurisdiction, with few or no complete mirrors, is vulnerable to being shut down by a small number of governmental or judicial entities. If I were running the archive, not being a single point of interdiction would be high on my list of priorities. Especially when any number of people are indeed willing and able to keep 1 PB+ of content in circulation, samizdat-style. I would work to find these people, put them in touch with each other, and help them. Beyond that, and what I was getting at earlier, is that maintaining a 1PB storage array at home isn't exactly easy, or cheap. Not everything that's worth doing is easy or cheap, or otherwise suited to "average people." Again, I don't know where you're coming from here. What's your interest in the subject, exactly?
- ranger_danger 2y ago
  > It doesn't seem reasonable to me to suggest that an average person would spend $10,000+ You're right, and I was not trying to suggest that. I was merely disagreeing with "You are never going to" because I know there are people who are reading this who can and maybe will.
userbinator 2y ago
1PB is well beyond the point at which a tape drive and a bunch of tapes will be cheaper than hard drives, and likely more reliable.
- account42 2y ago
  For archival, yes. Not if you want to access the thing with any frequency.