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Just a heads up: Muni is quite cheap and fairly reliable, with most of the city being within a few minutes walk to a stop. While cheap, I believe it should be 1
by ProfessorLayton 2y ago
Just a heads up: Muni is quite cheap and fairly reliable, with most of the city being within a few minutes walk to a stop. While cheap, I believe it should be 100% free, especially since fares are ~70% tax-funded anyway.
BART is quite expensive, I agree, however it stands for Bay Area Rapid Transit and is not actually managed by the city of San Francisco, but rather the multiple SFBAY counties it serves. That's the one that's used the most by workers coming into and out of the city and there's little SF can do about BART's pricing.
BART itself is facing a funding crisis, and there's a lot of chaos on the trains regularly, unfortunately, which deters a lot of people from taking it.
The solution isn't to subsidize driving + parking even more than it already is, but to fund public transport properly so that more people can take it easily.
- darth_avocado 2y agoI agree. I was more referring to BART, Caltrain, AC Transit etc that brings people in. Considering the fact that majority of the office workers live outside the city, that public transportation needs to be affordable. And safe.
- jwagenet 2y agoBart and Caltrain are reasonably priced when you compare them to LIRR or Metro-North. All 4 are long distance commuter rails, not local public transit. Edit: White Plains to Grand Central costs $13 on peak while Mountain View to 4th and King is $8. Both are about the same driving distance
- ProfessorLayton 2y ago4th & King is not comparable to Grand Central, which is a prime location. One needs to add the additional cost and time needed to take muni to where most of the offices are actually located. They're working on extending Caltrain into SF's transit center, but that's currently a ways off.
- Animats 2y agoAnd it's becoming unnecessary. The center of SF business activity is moving towards 4th and King, and away from the old financial district.
- ProfessorLayton 2y agoCitation needed, and even so it wouldn't compare to directly commuting to Grand Central which is incredibly well connected to the rest of Manhattan.
- Animats 2y agoLook up decline of San Francisco financial district in Google. There are many articles. [1] https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/map-downtown-san-francisco-buildings-18121855.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/map-downtown-san-fran...
- darth_avocado 2y agoWhile it may be true for Caltrain, Bart cannot be compared to Metro North. A commuter pass that I have used in the past from Long Beach to Grand Central (~30mi) was about $200/month ($250 now). A similar driving distance commute from concord to Powell St (~30mi) would cost you about $290 for 20 visits to the city since Bart doesn’t do commuter passes. Bart also charges you per trip and the min distance rides are very expensive, making it overall a more expensive option to Metro North. And unfortunately it’s the only commute option from the East Bay apart from the AC transit busses commuter busses that charge $7 regardless of the distance.
- 1oooqooq 2y agoturn half the buildings residential and the problem is solved.
- rangestransform 2y agoMuni metro is dog slow for the entire street running section, I could literally run faster
- 4d4m 2y agoCost aside, I am suprised more don't find Muni pretty dangerous? I can't recall a time I've ridden and had a quiet ride without some crazy stuff happening. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-muni-riders-concerned-about-their-safety/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-muni... Muni makes me miss Chicago's CTA, which I used to think was the wild-west for crime till I moved here.