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"If it ain't broke, don't fix/update it." That's my moto. Apart from Firefox, my banking apps and Signal, I don't update anything, ever. Not the TV, not the me

"If it ain't broke, don't fix/update it." That's my moto. Apart from Firefox, my banking apps and Signal, I don't update anything, ever. Not the TV, not the media-box, nothing. Eventually it leads to tragedy and discomfort. Sometimes I custom update my Win machines for Security patches, but anything that has to do with usability, UI, function, etc. I leave it as is. (I firewall all my apps in my machine anyway).

criddell 2y ago
Not a problem if you buy a Sony Bravia TV. I bought one and it only took a little over a year before they stopped shipping updates to it.
recursive 2y ago
I don't even give my TV the wifi password. I'm paranoid that it's going to update something without my consent. I fear the day they come with cellular modems and bypass the wifi entirely.
- criddell 2y ago
  I used to worry about cellular modems, but now I think it will be just plain old wifi they use. There's Comcast Xfinity, Amazon Sidewalk, and probably other companies that turn their device into a communal wifi hotspot.
- rolph 2y ago
  HDMI can be used to move tcp/ip packets [HEC], all it takes is one media device with connectivity, and a firmware that provides tunneling capability, and your TV will leak over the HDMI connector. one pin [pin14] on the HDMI connector allows this to happen; disable it and that problem wont exist until specs & standards revision happens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
  - hagbard_c 2y ago
    That is why you connect it to a source which does not have direct internet access. Use an adversarial mindset when dealing with commercial services, they are out to get you after all.
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
    Given how scattershot support is for CEC, is that a real concern? Cannot even get the basics working, are they really going to try and nab external network connections?
- thebruce87m 2y ago
  Cellular modems and passwords? No need, it will just connect automatically to some mesh network outwith your control: https://www.wired.com/story/how-amazon-sidewalk-works/ https://www.wired.com/story/how-amazon-sidewalk-works/
voiceblue 2y ago
I wish that had been my motto earlier. I bought a resin 3d printer off craigslist in perfect working condition, tried to update the firmware (for no good reason), and ended up promptly bricking the thing. I got it fixed in the end, but it was a huge unnecessary waste of time and energy. More recently, I updated my Vision Pro to the OS beta, which broke my ability to open files off my NAS. That, too, is fixed now…but again, I should’ve just left well enough alone.

criddell 2y ago

Not a problem if you buy a Sony Bravia TV. I bought one and it only took a little over a year before they stopped shipping updates to it.

recursive 2y ago

I don't even give my TV the wifi password. I'm paranoid that it's going to update something without my consent. I fear the day they come with cellular modems and bypass the wifi entirely.

criddell 2y ago
I used to worry about cellular modems, but now I think it will be just plain old wifi they use. There's Comcast Xfinity, Amazon Sidewalk, and probably other companies that turn their device into a communal wifi hotspot.
rolph 2y ago
HDMI can be used to move tcp/ip packets [HEC], all it takes is one media device with connectivity, and a firmware that provides tunneling capability, and your TV will leak over the HDMI connector. one pin [pin14] on the HDMI connector allows this to happen; disable it and that problem wont exist until specs & standards revision happens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
- hagbard_c 2y ago
  That is why you connect it to a source which does not have direct internet access. Use an adversarial mindset when dealing with commercial services, they are out to get you after all.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
  Given how scattershot support is for CEC, is that a real concern? Cannot even get the basics working, are they really going to try and nab external network connections?
thebruce87m 2y ago
Cellular modems and passwords? No need, it will just connect automatically to some mesh network outwith your control: https://www.wired.com/story/how-amazon-sidewalk-works/ https://www.wired.com/story/how-amazon-sidewalk-works/

voiceblue 2y ago

I wish that had been my motto earlier. I bought a resin 3d printer off craigslist in perfect working condition, tried to update the firmware (for no good reason), and ended up promptly bricking the thing. I got it fixed in the end, but it was a huge unnecessary waste of time and energy. More recently, I updated my Vision Pro to the OS beta, which broke my ability to open files off my NAS. That, too, is fixed now…but again, I should’ve just left well enough alone.