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> Flying requires an ID. Attending a concert should not. Why though? Not disagreeing per say because I'd have thought so too, but upon reflection... I assume

> Flying requires an ID. Attending a concert should not. Why though? Not disagreeing per say because I'd have thought so too, but upon reflection... I assume the main reason airlines require an ID is safety and security. We maintain a denied parties list and use identity verification to make it as difficult as possible to fly a plane into a crowded venue. Border control is another issue, but there's plenty of intra-country or intra-state flights where this isn't an issue. Ticketmaster sells unverified access to crowded venues.

jmb99 2y ago
Is your argument that people should be unable to attend concerts/etc without presenting ID? I for one am not a fan of that idea
- itishappy 2y ago
  I'm not a fan of it either. Just sayin' that concerts and events are where the densest crowds are. Are we protecting people from doing things to events more than the events themselves? I'd hope this is an argument for more granular control. I'd love to fly short-hops without ID, but maybe TSwift concerts should require something? (Edit: Do they? Events/venues do start to have their own security at some point. Flights also have different controls for national vs international.) I'm also probably overly discounting border control. Traceability in particular. I'm not a fan of this either.
- fnfjfk 2y ago
  You need to show one to get a drinking wristband anyways (and avoid the hand Xs), or into any 16+, 18+, or 21+ show.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    This is not universal.
jasomill 2y ago
I assume the main reason airlines require ID (for domestic flights) is to prevent ticket resale, and that "security" is just a convenient scapegoat. And I'm not alone[1]. [1] https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram/archives/2003/0815.html#6 https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram/archives/2003/0815.html...
rangestransform 2y ago
Because we ought to do everything in our power to stop the aggressive onslaught of the surveillance state. We already know TSA is security theatre at best, and the time they’ve wasted already justifies more lives lost to terrorism instead. Practically, I don’t want Ticketmaster having access to the information on my ID, they already leaked lot of my other PII.

jmb99 2y ago

Is your argument that people should be unable to attend concerts/etc without presenting ID? I for one am not a fan of that idea

itishappy 2y ago
I'm not a fan of it either. Just sayin' that concerts and events are where the densest crowds are. Are we protecting people from doing things to events more than the events themselves? I'd hope this is an argument for more granular control. I'd love to fly short-hops without ID, but maybe TSwift concerts should require something? (Edit: Do they? Events/venues do start to have their own security at some point. Flights also have different controls for national vs international.) I'm also probably overly discounting border control. Traceability in particular. I'm not a fan of this either.
fnfjfk 2y ago
You need to show one to get a drinking wristband anyways (and avoid the hand Xs), or into any 16+, 18+, or 21+ show.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  This is not universal.

jasomill 2y ago

I assume the main reason airlines require ID (for domestic flights) is to prevent ticket resale, and that "security" is just a convenient scapegoat. And I'm not alone[1]. [1] https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram/archives/2003/0815.html#6 https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram/archives/2003/0815.html...

rangestransform 2y ago

Because we ought to do everything in our power to stop the aggressive onslaught of the surveillance state. We already know TSA is security theatre at best, and the time they’ve wasted already justifies more lives lost to terrorism instead. Practically, I don’t want Ticketmaster having access to the information on my ID, they already leaked lot of my other PII.