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Wait... explain.

by mlekoszek 2y ago

Wait... explain.

ssklash 2y ago
A recent Supreme Court ruling allows pretty much exactly this...
- squigz 2y ago
  What ruling? What, more precisely than "pretty much this", does it allow?
  - dboreham 2y ago
    Bribery.
    - sixothree 2y ago
      Well. Literally bribery. As long as you don’t document the interaction and as long as the payment is after the fact, yeah. Bribery.
ilyagr 2y ago
https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/06/supreme-court-limits-scope-of-anti-bribery-law/ https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/06/supreme-court-limits-scop... Somewhat opinionated, but clearer explanation: https://jacobin.com/2024/06/supreme-court-corruption-thomas-kavanaugh https://jacobin.com/2024/06/supreme-court-corruption-thomas-... Perhaps somebody finds a better overview.
- tomp 2y ago
  Supreme Court simply limited the (in their opinion overbroad) lower court's interpretation of the law. Congress is free to fix the law.
  - ilyagr 2y ago
    How long do you think it will take for Congress to fix the law? Until then, the ancestor poster's interpretation of "Don't worry, it's now legal for the judge and everyone else involved to get a nice present from Boeing, as long as it happens afterwards!" is more or less correct AFAICT (though I'd appreciate more educated opinions).
    - tomp 2y ago
      This ”congress is too slow” is an oft-repeated trope but completely wrong. What people like you don’t understand is that slowness is a feature, not a bug! The first COVID relief bill was passed in less than a month. Because it had broad support and was urgent! Laws that have broad support are passed quickly. Laws that lack broad support are passed slowly or not at all. That how lawmaking should work!
      - afavour 2y ago
        > Laws that have broad support are passed quickly. Laws that lack broad support are passed slowly or not at all Not really. COVID relief got passed because of incredible urgency to people’s everyday lives. Reform to stop a corporation from effectively bribing a judge would have plenty of broad support. It just wouldn’t have the urgency. There are a ton of popular ideas that get zero traction in congress. And still none of this engages with the OP’s broader point which is that it’s sub optimal for courts to substantially change the interpretation of law and then punt to a slow moving congress to follow up. The power in congress is not directly connected to broad popularity, a representative of a tiny fraction of the population is able to halt any and all progress. That’s not efficient lawmaking.
      - mburns 2y ago
        Lots of bills with broad public support don’t even come to a vote let alone become law. What you meant to say is broad support amongst politicians, assuming that group represents a supermajority of votes in both chambers.
      - TylerE 2y ago

Wait... explain.

ssklash 2y ago

A recent Supreme Court ruling allows pretty much exactly this...

squigz 2y ago
What ruling? What, more precisely than "pretty much this", does it allow?
- dboreham 2y ago
  Bribery.
  - sixothree 2y ago
    Well. Literally bribery. As long as you don’t document the interaction and as long as the payment is after the fact, yeah. Bribery.

ilyagr 2y ago

https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/06/supreme-court-limits-scope-of-anti-bribery-law/ https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/06/supreme-court-limits-scop... Somewhat opinionated, but clearer explanation: https://jacobin.com/2024/06/supreme-court-corruption-thomas-kavanaugh https://jacobin.com/2024/06/supreme-court-corruption-thomas-... Perhaps somebody finds a better overview.

tomp 2y ago
Supreme Court simply limited the (in their opinion overbroad) lower court's interpretation of the law. Congress is free to fix the law.
- ilyagr 2y ago
  How long do you think it will take for Congress to fix the law? Until then, the ancestor poster's interpretation of "Don't worry, it's now legal for the judge and everyone else involved to get a nice present from Boeing, as long as it happens afterwards!" is more or less correct AFAICT (though I'd appreciate more educated opinions).
  - tomp 2y ago
    This ”congress is too slow” is an oft-repeated trope but completely wrong. What people like you don’t understand is that slowness is a feature, not a bug! The first COVID relief bill was passed in less than a month. Because it had broad support and was urgent! Laws that have broad support are passed quickly. Laws that lack broad support are passed slowly or not at all. That how lawmaking should work!
    - afavour 2y ago
      > Laws that have broad support are passed quickly. Laws that lack broad support are passed slowly or not at all Not really. COVID relief got passed because of incredible urgency to people’s everyday lives. Reform to stop a corporation from effectively bribing a judge would have plenty of broad support. It just wouldn’t have the urgency. There are a ton of popular ideas that get zero traction in congress. And still none of this engages with the OP’s broader point which is that it’s sub optimal for courts to substantially change the interpretation of law and then punt to a slow moving congress to follow up. The power in congress is not directly connected to broad popularity, a representative of a tiny fraction of the population is able to halt any and all progress. That’s not efficient lawmaking.
    - mburns 2y ago
      Lots of bills with broad public support don’t even come to a vote let alone become law. What you meant to say is broad support amongst politicians, assuming that group represents a supermajority of votes in both chambers.
    - TylerE 2y ago