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To the people who think this is easy because they could build this with sparkfun parts: Hardware is fucking hard. Peltier coolers are not nearly as trivial as
by AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
To the people who think this is easy because they could build this with sparkfun parts:
Hardware is fucking hard. Peltier coolers are not nearly as trivial as they sound, they're wildly inefficient and get exponentially more inefficient as the temperature differential between the sides increases. To actually get the theoretical max duration out of the batteries you need to have thermal simulations and modeling to create the interfaces on each side such that the pelt isn't just sitting there freezing one side and melting the other while nothing happens to the payload. You need to have drive electronics that allow the pelt to run at a steady state instead of slamming it on and off randomly. You need a PID loop that's tuned for the thermal mass of the enclosure and payload. Finally, you need a ton of engineering on the enclosure and insulation such that it is volume optimized for the exact maximum duration that they're targeting.
Tl;dr the coolers are inefficient enough that you need to very heavily optimize your design if you intend on making this actually work for more that a few hours.
- mschuster91 2y agoAnd ideally, you have fins and a fan on both sides of the peltier element because relying on convection alone is ... complicated and will likely lead to the "freezing on one side" issue. Side note, that's also why modern fridges and freezers all have fans on the inner side at least, it massively helps with preventing ice buildup.
- alnwlsn 2y agoI agree. I've worked with peltiers myself and they are annoying little buggers and like to break all the time. If you have good enough insulation, I have no problem believing that this device meets claims even on a modest battery pack. The valuation is still crazy high. They were pretty smart to go after the medical field though, where you can tack on an extra zero or two on the end and no one cares.
- anonymouse008 2y agoEven if you have good enough insulation; you still have to dissipate the Peltier plates heat… which makes little believable sense to me without a hefty heat sink