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If I recall the original 'Bullshit jobs' post, even before it was a book, food service jobs (and hairdressing) were specifically mentioned as not bullshit jobs;
by gota 2y ago
If I recall the original 'Bullshit jobs' post, even before it was a book, food service jobs (and hairdressing) were specifically mentioned as not bullshit jobs; and that distinction between liking the job vs it being bullshit was stated
- 1-more 2y agoyes, they are the example of the distinction between a shit job and a bullshit job. Furthermore they are the canonical example of the bullshit that every job has. As a teen Graeber worked in a kitchen. He and his team cleaned it one night. The boss told them to clean something that was already clean because he could not conceive of the job as being actually complete. I'm probably telling it shitty. There's a ton of nuance in the article and book that isn't in the title. Same with Debt. People just read other people's takes on his work and get busy imputing. A bullshit job of their own design, if you will.
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- diox8tony 2y agoidk. i worked cleaning a lobby and found that my job could be replaced by customers being cleaner. you know, how 98% of humans are at their own home. Peanut shells on floor are not necessary(might even be more effort to hit the floor than your plate). They are going to walk past the garbage can on their way out, they could have carried the trash. servers today are easily replaced by either tech (ordering system on table, or a bar style ordering system where you get up and order from 2 wait staff). And if we trusted humans(far fetched), a self serve system: pour you own beer, and add it to your tab. If my task was something the customer could have easily done themselves (and often do for themselves the other 99$ of their life: cart return, bag groceries) I felt useless. Like I'm walking behind a person littering and picking their trash up. They could just not litter, you know?
- gota 2y agoYes - something to that effect is also discussed at length in the book I think it was in the context of categorizing the kinds of bullshit jobs and the "cleaning" of useless, bullshit-produced littering was one of the examples From these discussions I'm thinking the book is quite comprhensive on the topic. Several of the comments here are addressed there in one way or another
- pdonis 2y ago> the original 'Bullshit jobs' post, even before it was a book Is here: https://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/ https://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/ > food service jobs (and hairdressing) were specifically mentioned as not bullshit jobs I don't see that in the article; in fact the article mentions "all-night pizza delivery" as a bullshit job (or more precisely a job that only exists because so many other people are working bullshit jobs), which would at least suggest that other food service jobs might be categorized similarly by the author. > and that distinction between liking the job vs it being bullshit was stated I don't see this stated in the article. The article does state that the author found many people who believed their own jobs were pointless, and correlates this with those jobs being bullshit; but if anything that suggests that not liking one's job is not very distinct from the job being bullshit.
- gota 2y agoI can't check but trust you over my memory. It must have been in the book, then, that these points are made I distincly recall a section on "Why hairdressers are not bullshit jobs", referring to a Hitchhikers Guide joke, and at least one bit about food services being "shit" jobs (but not bullshit jobs). I recall the latter because it was a point of argument with a friend when we read it. Someone commented something similar below. When I have time I will check