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I'd be interested in seeing the numbers, but I think the point is it doesn't really matter? In particular, I think the point is that one is an escalation path

by taeric 2y ago

I'd be interested in seeing the numbers, but I think the point is it doesn't really matter? In particular, I think the point is that one is an escalation path of thinking. If you think someone in front of you is being a jerk because they are being a bad actor, you are more likely to get upset about it than if you took an alternative view.

whimsicalism 2y ago
i am not a fan of this style of ends-motivated reasoning. i think it is easy to laugh it off even in a world full of inconsiderate jerks, i don’t have to pretend that they were somehow in the right just to not get upset
- the_sleaze_ 2y ago
  > even in a world full of inconsiderate jerks This is the cynical negative worldview that a therapist would attempt to steer a patient away from. The more time a person spends in a negative headspace the more easily that person will find themselves in a negative headspace - just like a muscle the brain will build neural pathways to find that negative pattern faster and more efficiently. And the longer that person spends there the stronger that pattern building will get. Of course the person cutting in line's mother didn't die, more than likely they were lost in thought about their bills piling up, or feeling incredibly self-conscious about their weight, their husband's difficulty in finding a job or not ever being able to buy a home in these market conditions. If you had touched them gently on the shoulder and reminded them of the line they'd apologize profusely and move to the back.
  - oldpersonintx 2y ago
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- taeric 2y ago
  But this is now a false dichotomy. When in line, you are better off not escalating. When designing systems and lines, you are better off building ones that don't encourage and reward cheating. At the end of the day, you will be forced to reckon with the fact that the optimal amount of cheating is almost certainly not 0. Which sucks in many ways. But does not change that you are better not escalating anything.
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    who said anything about escalating? i am merely discussing correctly inferring people’s motivations. getting up in arms about it is another thing altogether and i don’t need to pretend that the line cutter has some pure motive to not confront or escalate.
    - taeric 2y ago
      My point is that one line of thought is more likely to be escalatory? Is literally how I entered this thread, if I'm not losing my mind. (Which, fair, debatable.) I am also not arguing for you having to assume pure motivation, oddly; but against assuming bad motive. My reasoning for this would be pointing at how many people are constantly escalating small encounters.

by taeric 2y ago

whimsicalism 2y ago

i am not a fan of this style of ends-motivated reasoning. i think it is easy to laugh it off even in a world full of inconsiderate jerks, i don’t have to pretend that they were somehow in the right just to not get upset

the_sleaze_ 2y ago
> even in a world full of inconsiderate jerks This is the cynical negative worldview that a therapist would attempt to steer a patient away from. The more time a person spends in a negative headspace the more easily that person will find themselves in a negative headspace - just like a muscle the brain will build neural pathways to find that negative pattern faster and more efficiently. And the longer that person spends there the stronger that pattern building will get. Of course the person cutting in line's mother didn't die, more than likely they were lost in thought about their bills piling up, or feeling incredibly self-conscious about their weight, their husband's difficulty in finding a job or not ever being able to buy a home in these market conditions. If you had touched them gently on the shoulder and reminded them of the line they'd apologize profusely and move to the back.
- oldpersonintx 2y ago
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taeric 2y ago
But this is now a false dichotomy. When in line, you are better off not escalating. When designing systems and lines, you are better off building ones that don't encourage and reward cheating. At the end of the day, you will be forced to reckon with the fact that the optimal amount of cheating is almost certainly not 0. Which sucks in many ways. But does not change that you are better not escalating anything.
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  who said anything about escalating? i am merely discussing correctly inferring people’s motivations. getting up in arms about it is another thing altogether and i don’t need to pretend that the line cutter has some pure motive to not confront or escalate.
  - taeric 2y ago
    My point is that one line of thought is more likely to be escalatory? Is literally how I entered this thread, if I'm not losing my mind. (Which, fair, debatable.) I am also not arguing for you having to assume pure motivation, oddly; but against assuming bad motive. My reasoning for this would be pointing at how many people are constantly escalating small encounters.