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Okay, but X11 is deprecated. Is there a modern version?
by Filligree 2y ago
Okay, but X11 is deprecated. Is there a modern version?
- jacknews 2y agomaybe this: https://github.com/wayland-transpositor/wprs https://github.com/wayland-transpositor/wprs
- skirmish 2y agoDoes it work for anybody? When I tried it a few weeks ago, it would freeze on any dialog boxes launched by an application, then would unfreeze if you managed to close the dialog without being able to see it.
- forgotpwd16 2y agoDeprecated according to Red Hat maybe but very much still relevant.
- blahgeek 2y agoI don't think the existence of Wayland means X11 is deprecated. Lots of people (including myself) would prefer the perfectly working X11 than the feature-incomplete backward-incompatible "modern" wayland
- necrotic_comp 2y agoI haven't yet seen any compelling reason to move off of X11. It's been years since I've checked - what's the current state of the art ?
- ChoHag 2y ago> what's the current state of the art ? Wayland is going to make 2024 the year of Linux on the Desktop! Any day now...
- LelouBil 2y agoYeah, but it is slowly getting better. Not advocating for 2024 (or 2025) but I still think someday it will, having seen multiple usability and feature improvements. (Not only talking about wayland here)
- intelVISA 2y agoI thought it was already the year of Linux on the Desktop?? Jokes aside if you can avoid anti-cheats (rootkits) DXVK makes a lot of Windows workflows very accessible on Linux.
- vidarh 2y agoFor me, the year of Linux on the Desktop was '94. It's been my main desktop at home ever since, and for wor as well the majority of time - but with some obnoxious detours.
- account42 2y ago> DXVK makes a lot of Windows workflows very accessible on Linux. And it has achieved that with X11.
- SSLy 2y agohttps://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope is the one actually competent wayland WM.
- rcxdude 2y agoIt's deprecated by the people who wrote it, and AFAIK no-one else has taken up the task of maintaining it. Doesn't mean you can't use it (I still use it still, thanks to said breakage), but it's not exactly thriving.
- vidarh 2y agoIt's still seeing regular releases. It's split into modules now, but the xorg-server module last had a release in April, I think, with multiple contributors, and at least two people are issuing release announcements. Maybe I'll consider Wayland again in a few years (though, who knows, by then maybe I'll have fallen for the temptation to write my own X server too...), but for now, Xorg works, receiving fixes, and doesn't require me to change anything else in my workflow for no good reason.
- seba_dos1 2y ago> It's still seeing regular releases. With very limited scope. There's already hardware out there that will likely never be properly supported by Xorg. Though Xwayland - and hence a big chunk of Xorg - will, of course, still live a long life.
- vidarh 2y agoIf that affects me one day, maybe I'll care about that. I doubt that'll be a concern until sometimes next decade at the earliest for my use.
- p_l 2y agoUnfortunately Wayland means increased fragmentation in the hw support, not less :(
- Gormo 2y agoConsidering that hardware vendors are typically writing and upstreaming their own drivers, I don't see how that could be.
- llm_trw 2y ago
- jrm4 2y agoEven funnier, I have a bunch of rando computers and servers, some with friends and family with different distros...and at any given time, I'm not sure which I'm using. (Which I suppose means that Wayland has matured a lot..finally, but still)
- yrro 2y agoLocal and mote apps using the X11 protocol to connect to a local X server (such as Xwayland) isn't going anywhere.
- guilhas 2y agoWayland is still catching up
- account42 2y agoOh god, has the "rewrite it in rust" crowd finally learned about wayland?
- k_roy 2y agoIs this either rust or wayland? Nope. Memes are fun though. Though I have no problem with anything being rewritten in rust. It's usually just as fast, and more importantly, freaking modern. Look at `lsd` or `ripgrep` Python 81.7% Cython 14.9% Shell 1.1% Roff 0.9% Rich Text Format 0.7% C++ 0.2% Other 0.5%
- ranger_danger 2y agoI wish rust people spent their time writing software instead of going around telling other people to do the job for them. They only manage to get others annoyed with this attitude.
- whytevuhuni 2y agoCould I get an example of this?
- jrm4 2y agoAt the risk of threadjacking, I'd still love to have a real conversation about how and why this Wayland thing happened (and is still arguably happening) so badly. Specifically, how -- again, in LINUX-LAND -- a whole bunch of people decided, "nah, we're going to go ahead and break the HELL OUT OF backwards compatibility this time, even though we pretty much never do this."
- asveikau 2y agoLinux actually does this a lot. Jwz called it "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" more than 20 years ago, describing GNOME. Look at audio. PulseAudio is mostly pointless and over-engineered. Breaks a lot. You could say the same about ALSA even. FreeBSD meanwhile is still using the OSS API that Linux was on in the late 90s...
- jrm4 2y agoHa, I'm showing my age. You're right, my brain is still at "Linux around the year 2000." That being said, it's still the same problem. And I think that's why I find it odd that I haven't heard the argument more plainly stated like: "Oh look -- right around when Linux became mainstream, it began to get worse in precisely the same ways proprietary stuff was already bad. Probably a result of more business involvement, but how can we counter it."
- logicprog 2y agoSetting aside dogmatic complaints ahout failing to adhere to the purity tests of a hokey old religion from the seventies, in what way is Linux actually worse? Also, assuming you're referring to it getting worse in the usual ways *nix grognards like to complain about, how is any of that "in the same ways proprietary stuff is bad"? If anything Windows for instance leans even more heavily on backwards compatibility than old Linux, not less.
- rwmj 2y agoPulseAudio has already been abandoned, the new thing is Pipewire. The specific issue with OSS was that it was never part of Linux and then with OSS 4 they made it proprietary, which killed it off entirely as far as Linux users are concerned. (FreeBSD cloned it instead.)
- spookie 2y agoIf you do any work with video cameras you will understand Wayland isn't there yet.
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