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How would one use such a device?

cassianoleal 2y ago
I've been anxiously waiting for this product to be launched since it was announced a couple months (I think) ago. My use-case is, I have some computers I use for a home lab. If I'm outside of the house and something happens to those computers that requires manual intervention, there is nothing I can do. With this, I can power the computer off and on (via a smart plug, not the KVM), then see and interact with the entirety of the boot process, including accessing BIOS, select OS on GRUB, etc. As long as the KVM has network connection, it serves as a remote interface to the phisical computer.
- ab71e5 2y ago
  So basically what would be a BMC on a server? I saw that the SFF PC I use as a server has intel Active Management support, I am thinking to just use this if I can get it to work.
  - zamadatix 2y ago
    Yeah, that's the basic idea. I even use my PiKVM on boxes with a proper BMC just because it's so much : - Higher encoded framerate - Loading bootable ISOs directly via the IP KVM isn't a per-BMC model dance (if the BMC does it at all, without begging for you to hack the BMC license) - Similarly, loading drivers doesn't require making a compatible image file or finding another USB - The web interface doesn't have any legacy crap (java/.net/activex) left in the menus - I can cold boot a server and not lose my session - You can paste large blocks of text and it will type it out - You can text extract large blocks of text from the framebuffer - You can just load standard linux packages for whatever you need in a pinch (on the PiKVM at least) - You can actually update and secure this thing vs hoping your BMC either receives real updates or someone hacks it so you can load an open source one instead. I'd say the main downside is the ATX power control isn't something you just "plop in". You either wire it up and use the device with the same server over long periods of time or you don't use the ATX power control.
  - barryp 2y ago
    Yeah, I was just doing this last week with an old HP Elitedesk 800 G2. This Youtube really helped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhq0bsWJEOw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhq0bsWJEOw And there's more here: https://www.meshcommander.com/meshcommander/tutorials https://www.meshcommander.com/meshcommander/tutorials
rcarmo 2y ago
I use two PIKVMs to remotely manage machines and troubleshoot them, set BIOS settings, etc. It can also be really handy (with storage support) to quickly install a set of machines in a rack - either have them boot off the internal USB storage or go into the BIOS to monitor PXE boot progress and handle any input required.
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cactusplant7374 2y ago
Often digital nomads use such a product to evade detection of employers. It's not just about VPN's because corporate IT can also use location services to determine location.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  You mean there are people daily-driving KVM as a remote desktop solution? That seems like it would be remarkably painful; https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/07/08/20-nanokvm-is-a-tiny-low-power-risc-v-kvm-over-ip-solution/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/07/08/20-nanokvm-is-a-tiny... says 100-160 ms latency, and I'm assuming that's over local network rather than trying to remote to it.
  - mstkllah 2y ago
    What would you recommend for that use case? Just remote into an always on desktop?
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      Depends on exactly which usecase: * Evading corporate IT: I do not recommend doing this. * Normal[0] remote access to a machine: Yeah, running a remote desktop in software on the machine[1] is almost always going to be easier, cheaper, more performant, and more flexible than anything you tack on externally. [0] Where "normal" remote access means it doesn't need to work when the machine is kernel panicked or in the firmware setup screens. [1] The machine itself can be whatever you want. It can be an always-on desktop, but it can also be a laptop that sits in the corner and that only boots up when you poke it with a Wake-on-LAN packet, or a VM on an ESXi cluster, or a (carefully secured) Hetzner Cloud VM. That part is dealer's choice depending on your needs.

I've been anxiously waiting for this product to be launched since it was announced a couple months (I think) ago. My use-case is, I have some computers I use for a home lab. If I'm outside of the house and something happens to those computers that requires manual intervention, there is nothing I can do. With this, I can power the computer off and on (via a smart plug, not the KVM), then see and interact with the entirety of the boot process, including accessing BIOS, select OS on GRUB, etc. As long as the KVM has network connection, it serves as a remote interface to the phisical computer.

ab71e5 2y ago
So basically what would be a BMC on a server? I saw that the SFF PC I use as a server has intel Active Management support, I am thinking to just use this if I can get it to work.
- zamadatix 2y ago
  Yeah, that's the basic idea. I even use my PiKVM on boxes with a proper BMC just because it's so much : - Higher encoded framerate - Loading bootable ISOs directly via the IP KVM isn't a per-BMC model dance (if the BMC does it at all, without begging for you to hack the BMC license) - Similarly, loading drivers doesn't require making a compatible image file or finding another USB - The web interface doesn't have any legacy crap (java/.net/activex) left in the menus - I can cold boot a server and not lose my session - You can paste large blocks of text and it will type it out - You can text extract large blocks of text from the framebuffer - You can just load standard linux packages for whatever you need in a pinch (on the PiKVM at least) - You can actually update and secure this thing vs hoping your BMC either receives real updates or someone hacks it so you can load an open source one instead. I'd say the main downside is the ATX power control isn't something you just "plop in". You either wire it up and use the device with the same server over long periods of time or you don't use the ATX power control.
- barryp 2y ago
  Yeah, I was just doing this last week with an old HP Elitedesk 800 G2. This Youtube really helped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhq0bsWJEOw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhq0bsWJEOw And there's more here: https://www.meshcommander.com/meshcommander/tutorials https://www.meshcommander.com/meshcommander/tutorials

rcarmo 2y ago

I use two PIKVMs to remotely manage machines and troubleshoot them, set BIOS settings, etc. It can also be really handy (with storage support) to quickly install a set of machines in a rack - either have them boot off the internal USB storage or go into the BIOS to monitor PXE boot progress and handle any input required.

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cactusplant7374 2y ago

Often digital nomads use such a product to evade detection of employers. It's not just about VPN's because corporate IT can also use location services to determine location.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
You mean there are people daily-driving KVM as a remote desktop solution? That seems like it would be remarkably painful; https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/07/08/20-nanokvm-is-a-tiny-low-power-risc-v-kvm-over-ip-solution/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/07/08/20-nanokvm-is-a-tiny... says 100-160 ms latency, and I'm assuming that's over local network rather than trying to remote to it.
- mstkllah 2y ago
  What would you recommend for that use case? Just remote into an always on desktop?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    Depends on exactly which usecase: * Evading corporate IT: I do not recommend doing this. * Normal[0] remote access to a machine: Yeah, running a remote desktop in software on the machine[1] is almost always going to be easier, cheaper, more performant, and more flexible than anything you tack on externally. [0] Where "normal" remote access means it doesn't need to work when the machine is kernel panicked or in the firmware setup screens. [1] The machine itself can be whatever you want. It can be an always-on desktop, but it can also be a laptop that sits in the corner and that only boots up when you poke it with a Wake-on-LAN packet, or a VM on an ESXi cluster, or a (carefully secured) Hetzner Cloud VM. That part is dealer's choice depending on your needs.