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ChatGPT Has Captchas Now

30 points by runxel 2y ago

I am a paying customer of ChatGPT. Today it started to give me "Are you Human?" tasks/captchas, where you have to rotate objects so they are showing in the same direction as the hand of a mannequin. However these tasks are not as easy as they seem, because the objects shown have no clear "forward" direction, so it took me couple of tries to get it done. I am baffled by this. Not only, because I use the online website (= I am not using the API, like in a terminal), but also because I am logged in and a paying customer. Why am I getting asked if I am human? The way this is executed makes me believe that this is actually a training tho, and not a captcha (to get to know what people believe "forward" means with certain objects). https://imgur.com/a/aphJnMS

neontomo 2y ago
or, to be even more cynical, it could be a method to artificially stall requests to keep up with increasing usage demand. i find these types of business practices really wrong, similar to when a service shows ads to paying customers or rewards customers (with discounts) when they're about to leave the service instead of rewarding loyalty. but ya know, we have a choice whether we use it or not. claude is comparable in ability these days btw.
- muzani 2y ago
  Arguably Claude 3.5 + projects and artifacts is a much better offering than ChatGPT
FrenchDevRemote 2y ago
There are multiple projects built to reverse engineer their API to avoid paying the API rates(it still makes economical sense to buy a subscription for this), it was obvious that they would have to increase their bot protections at some point. Regular captchas are easily solvable by multimodal LLMs, we're reaching a point where what's hard for software to solve is also hard for humans. At some point they'll probably have to charge by usage instead of a flat subscription.
- josho 2y ago
  I would have thought that rate limiting would be an easier solution to the problem of using chatgpt as an api.
  - FrenchDevRemote 2y ago
    It was rate limited since the start, the bots are respecting the rate limits, that does not mean they stop being a burden, they just create more of them.
perilunar 2y ago
Why does it need visual CAPTCHAs — surely it can tell humans and bots apart itself?
- shusaku 2y ago
  I look forward to the latest models posing the Voight-Kampff test to me.
- FrenchDevRemote 2y ago
  no one can, any company who tells you otherwise is lying to sell you a product
  - jasonsb 2y ago
    So you're telling me that we can't use AI to detect AI? It looks like you're an AI denier! Booooo! /s
fma 2y ago
I've been getting "unusual activity detected" practically every other prompt and it'd a hindrance on productivity. I only get it in the web app. It's not even every other new topic, but if I follow up I get stopped in my tracks...
InsomniacL 2y ago
> I am baffled by this. Not only, because I use the online website (= I am not using the API, like in a terminal) Why would this baffle you? API's are typically accessed programmatically, so there would be no human to solve the captchas. > I am logged in and a paying customer. Why am I getting asked if I am human? To prove that it's a Human accessing the interface and not a robot.
- runxel 2y ago
  Well, because I'm paying. I get that free tiers need some kind of "rate limiting" (because essentially this is that, as well). So even if I am a bot: I payed for the service. Apart from that: The experience is shitty. Do not shove Captchas in my face.
  - InsomniacL 2y ago
    Have you tried asking ChatGPT why ChatGPT uses Captchas. I did and the answer is totally reasonable.
- vunderba 2y ago
  A headless browser based bot(s) is still going to be rate limited because the limits apply to the entire paid account, so even if it was against their TOS I'm not really sure how badly it could be abused since you're still throttled to ~50 messages every three or four hours. Maybe they still consider that to be too much traffic though as a continuously running bot is maxing out the potential usage of the account.
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xdennis 2y ago
I was in the same situation. I've canceled my subscription. You don't get much from the subscription. The fact that you don't even get captcha protection was enough to make me cancel.
- weikju 2y ago
  Same. In fact I found it somewhat insulting that openAI, out of all companies, would straight out ask me "Are you human?"
nickthegreek 2y ago
A Captcha on a paying service would make me cancel that service.
leobg 2y ago
They trained their models by programmatically reading almost every website in existence. And here they are, checking that you are human.
zihotki 2y ago
I wonder how this capcha can be solved by a visually impaired humans. And what kind of challenge can be provided to such users so that it can be solvable by them and not by robots.
vunderba 2y ago
It's not a perfect solution but you might consider using something like Jan and connecting an API key to GPT4. https://github.com/janhq/jan https://github.com/janhq/jan

30 points by runxel 2y ago

neontomo 2y ago

or, to be even more cynical, it could be a method to artificially stall requests to keep up with increasing usage demand. i find these types of business practices really wrong, similar to when a service shows ads to paying customers or rewards customers (with discounts) when they're about to leave the service instead of rewarding loyalty. but ya know, we have a choice whether we use it or not. claude is comparable in ability these days btw.

muzani 2y ago
Arguably Claude 3.5 + projects and artifacts is a much better offering than ChatGPT

FrenchDevRemote 2y ago

There are multiple projects built to reverse engineer their API to avoid paying the API rates(it still makes economical sense to buy a subscription for this), it was obvious that they would have to increase their bot protections at some point. Regular captchas are easily solvable by multimodal LLMs, we're reaching a point where what's hard for software to solve is also hard for humans. At some point they'll probably have to charge by usage instead of a flat subscription.

josho 2y ago
I would have thought that rate limiting would be an easier solution to the problem of using chatgpt as an api.
- FrenchDevRemote 2y ago
  It was rate limited since the start, the bots are respecting the rate limits, that does not mean they stop being a burden, they just create more of them.

perilunar 2y ago

Why does it need visual CAPTCHAs — surely it can tell humans and bots apart itself?

shusaku 2y ago
I look forward to the latest models posing the Voight-Kampff test to me.
FrenchDevRemote 2y ago
no one can, any company who tells you otherwise is lying to sell you a product
- jasonsb 2y ago
  So you're telling me that we can't use AI to detect AI? It looks like you're an AI denier! Booooo! /s

fma 2y ago

I've been getting "unusual activity detected" practically every other prompt and it'd a hindrance on productivity. I only get it in the web app. It's not even every other new topic, but if I follow up I get stopped in my tracks...

InsomniacL 2y ago

> I am baffled by this. Not only, because I use the online website (= I am not using the API, like in a terminal) Why would this baffle you? API's are typically accessed programmatically, so there would be no human to solve the captchas. > I am logged in and a paying customer. Why am I getting asked if I am human? To prove that it's a Human accessing the interface and not a robot.

runxel 2y ago
Well, because I'm paying. I get that free tiers need some kind of "rate limiting" (because essentially this is that, as well). So even if I am a bot: I payed for the service. Apart from that: The experience is shitty. Do not shove Captchas in my face.
- InsomniacL 2y ago
  Have you tried asking ChatGPT why ChatGPT uses Captchas. I did and the answer is totally reasonable.
vunderba 2y ago
A headless browser based bot(s) is still going to be rate limited because the limits apply to the entire paid account, so even if it was against their TOS I'm not really sure how badly it could be abused since you're still throttled to ~50 messages every three or four hours. Maybe they still consider that to be too much traffic though as a continuously running bot is maxing out the potential usage of the account.

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xdennis 2y ago

I was in the same situation. I've canceled my subscription. You don't get much from the subscription. The fact that you don't even get captcha protection was enough to make me cancel.

weikju 2y ago
Same. In fact I found it somewhat insulting that openAI, out of all companies, would straight out ask me "Are you human?"

nickthegreek 2y ago

A Captcha on a paying service would make me cancel that service.

leobg 2y ago

They trained their models by programmatically reading almost every website in existence. And here they are, checking that you are human.

zihotki 2y ago

I wonder how this capcha can be solved by a visually impaired humans. And what kind of challenge can be provided to such users so that it can be solvable by them and not by robots.

vunderba 2y ago

It's not a perfect solution but you might consider using something like Jan and connecting an API key to GPT4. https://github.com/janhq/jan https://github.com/janhq/jan